Veitch family of Killeshandra

Eileen:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

It looks like your family was Church of Ireland. I searched on Roots Ireland and located the 1838 baptismal record for an Emily Veitch. I searched 1830-1850 and this was the only record that showed up.. Kilmore would be the parish just to the east of Killashandra. At that time, the family was living in Legaland townland in Kilmore civil parish.

I looked at the 1855 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for Kilmore civil parish and there was only a John Veitch in Snakeel townland. http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/cavan/kilmore.htm   The only James Veitch listed was in Kinawley parish to the northwest.

You mentioned James died in 1868 and below is the civil death index record. You can get a copy from the General Register Office  for around 4 euros. if you want instructions, let me know. Let me know if you have questions.

Roger McDonnell

First name(s)James YoungLast nameVeitchAge at death70Birth year1798Registered year1868Registered quarter/year1868Registration districtCavanVolume13Page67CountyCavan

Name:Emily VeitchDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:29-Jun-1838Address:LegelandParish/District:KILMOREGender:FemaleCountyCo. Cavan
Denomination:Church Of Ireland
Father:James VeitchMother:Emily VeitchOccupation:Landholder

I found the record of a will for James Veitch (attached).  I notice that the above baptism record you found lists a child named Emily, which there was not as far as I know.  Do you think there could have been an error?  I believe Caroline was born in 1838.

There is another part of this family I would be interested in finding any information on.  Frances Veitch married Bernard Rafferty.  They married in NY, but Bernard is also from Cavan, and he was catholic, therefore creating the catholic line of the family, of which I am descended.  Bernard Rafferty was born Dec. 1824 and Frances Veitch Aug. 1834.  

Thank you.

Eileen:

It is possible that the record is for another couple who had the same names. The fact that no other baptismal records popped up would imply that it was a different family.

I searched Roots and the only Bernard Rafferty baptismal record in Co. Cavan from 1819-1829 is the 1822 record below. Some churches in Co. Cavan do not have records back to the 1820s so you can't be sure this record is the one you want without other confirming info.

Roger

Name:Bernard RaffertyDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:06-Oct-1822Address:
Parish/District:CAVANGender:MaleCountyCo. Cavan
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Bernard RaffertyMother:Johanna MihenOccupation:
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Informant 1:Hugh McCabeSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Mary Anne McDonnell

Veitch family. I have a Frances VEITCH who married Henry McILLREE. No date so far but must have been in the early 1800s. Frances was the daughter of Captain Charles VEITCH of Gartinardress (Gartinardross), County Cavan and Frances PERRY (d. Capel Street, Dublin 22 January 1858). Frances was the daughter of Alexander PERRY OF Edgewater Town, Co. Longford (Swanzy Notebooks No. 8 viewed at the Representative Church Body Library, Dublin, May 2015). Charles VEITCH was also the father of John VEITCH of Roseville, County Cavan. John VEITCH married Rose SWANZY. This family was C of I. Family name also spelt "VEAITCH". Have you tried this spelling of the family name? To protect property some Catholics converted to C of I or immigrated to retain their faith. Try also rootsweb on ancestry.com using both spellings of the family name. See also the Representative Church Body Library, Dublin. Some families, although of other faiths, e.g. Catholic, Presbyterian had to marry and have children baptised in the C of I so the unions and baptisms were considered "legitimate". For example, I've found some of our Presbyterian family in C of I marriages held by the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI), Belfast. There is a Table of Church of Ireland Parish Registers Throiughout Ireland at: http://ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegistersTable.pdf
This table lists what C of I records exist and where they are. For Catholic Parish registers see the National Library of Ireland. (Hard to search as they are not indexed). The Catholic parish registers are indexed on Find My Past and Ancestry.com
Be aware that some records are in Latin. You can find "translations" of names from Latin to English online. Sorry can't recall just where right now. Would be interested in finding out more about the history of the VEITCH/VEAITCH family. Kind Regards, Jane Morrison 

Is there any way to find out where Emily Veitch and James Veitch are buried?  They lived in Killeshandra, Cavan.  Both were born in 1798.  James Veitch died Aug. 11, 1868.  I don't know the exact date of Emily Veitch's death, but I have this information: Jul-Aug-Sep 1878; Registration district:Cavan; Volume:3; Page:69; FHL Film Number:101589.  Please see attached images for more information. 

Eileen,

After doing a Google search for John Vietch, I stumbled across your post regarding the Vietch family. What led me here was a Freeholder list compiled in 1826 which shows my Kerr relation as being a freeholder under the landlord Mr. John Vietch in Legaland. Legaland it seems is but a walk from the place where my ancestors were supposed to be living, Farranydaly. Here is the link to the document, on page 11 under Clonmahon. I am excited to know more as to how he is related to you. This is the ONLY document that exists to me knowledge where all of my ancestors appear before they arrived in Quebec, Canada.

http://www.cavanlibrary.ie/file/Local-Studies/Library-Scanned-Docs/Registry-of-Freeholders-in-the-County-of-Cavan.pdf

Darrell

Dear Darrell:

Thank you for your post and your reference about the Cavan Library which has a number of very useful resources online for researchers.

If you need further assistance, please let me know and I will forward this post to a few volunteers in the Cavan area.

Kind regards,

Jane.

In FindmyPast in the Crossle Genealogical Abstracts, Kilmore & Ardagh Grant Book 1720-1747 you can find the Will of John Veaitch of Gartinardress, proved 9 Apr 1725. James is listed as a son of John.  John's daughter, Martha, married my 5th great grandfather, Rev John Ingham.  John Ingham was from Lisnamaine, Co. Cavan.

Chris

Hi Chris - thank you for the information.  Maybe John Veaitch's son James is the father of my ancestor.  The James Veitch in my family was born in 1798, so if John Veaitch died in 1725, he may have been his grandfather.  Do you know if John Veaitch had other sons?  I would like to search all of them to see if I can find a connection to my ancestor.

Eileen Pfaff

Hello Eileen,

I came across a family tree in ancestry.ca (name of Eileen Lynch Pfaff) - is that you? If it is, you seem to have a lot of info on Frances Veitch & Bernard Rafferty, what else were you looking for?

If this isn't you, I would check the Corrigan-Brady family tree as there is a lot of info there.

If you are looking for more info, let me know and I can do some searching for you.

Cheers, Nancy

Hello Nancy,

Yes, that's me and the Corrigan-Brady tree is mine, and I would love some help.  Frances Veitch and Bernard Rafferty were my great-great grandparents.  I can't find any information on Frances (or the rest of her family) before she came to NY.  I have actual letters from Emily Veitch in Killeshandra to Frances Veitch Rafferty in NY dating from 1870.  I also discovered that Emily Veitch's maiden name was Armstrong through her son James' marriage records.  I would love to learn more about her and I cannot find anything other than the registration of her death (attached).

The person I am very interested in finding is Emily's mother.  Through oral family history, I was always told that her name was Lady Emily Campbell, but again, I cannot confirm that.  I have a mini portrait of Lady Emily Campbell that has been handed down through the generations.  On the back are the initials EC, which we believe that is for Emily Campbell.  Having that miniature has given me a goal of finding the lady in the picture.  If I could make a connection from me to Emily Campbell, it would make my search complete.  

My husband and I will be in Ireland in August.  I would like to plan a side trip to Killeshandra to see where my family lived. Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you!

Eileen Pfaff

Nancy - I should have also added that my family history story is that Lady Emily Campbell's father was a Lord Haig and that he was from Scotland.

Thanks!

Eileen

Emily Campbell's portrait

Good Morning,

I did a very quick search (must dash off to work) so will continue this evening. However, did find what might be a tidbit which may eventually prove to be something.

Field Marshall Douglas Haig, 1st Earl Haig born 1861 in Edinburgh had a brother Hugh Veitch Haig born 1875

their parents were John Haig and Rachel Mackerras Veitch (born Apr 1818). Rachel's parents were John Veitch and Barbara Russell.

Will take some searching to discover if there is a connection to your Veitch family. Which I must admit may take some head-scratching, unless you have any info on John and Rachel already.

Hope this helps and doesn't prove to be a wild goose-chase.

Cheers!

Nancy

Thank you for your quick response!  Interesting that their are Haig -Veitch connections.  If you could make a connection from a Haig to a Campbell, that would be great!

Nancy - the family history I have always been told was this:  Lord Haig of Scotland and his wife had a daughter, Lady Emily.  She married a gentleman named Campbell.  They had a daughter, also named Emily, who married a gentleman named Veitch.  This would be Emily and James Veitch of Killeshandra.  The problem with this is that I found that marriage record for their son James, which shows Emily's maiden name as Armstrong.  This really threw me for a loop in my searching.  

Someone on Ancestry.com contacted me and said that he believed Emily Veitch was half-sister to his ancester, Marianne Armstrong Moffett, and their father was Capt. John Armstrong of the Fermanagh Militia.  He believed Emily's mother died young in an accident (see attachment) and Emily's father remarried. He also said that apparently there was a ''family bible'' that Marianne's son, Benjamin Moffett (the canon of Carrickmacross) mentions in his will - from his aunty Veitch. I used this information and it is in my Corrigan-Brady family tree.

Not sure if this helps or makes it harder, but that is where I am at with my searching. 

Eileen,

still looking for connections, however, the Emily-Campbell-Armstrong accident pic you attached, shows 'wife of Captain A.", so this must be a different family, as wasn't it Captain John Armstrong?

I think the “A” stands fo Armstrong

Hi,

I'm not part of the families mentioned, but have done some research in Co. Cavan and Killeshandra.  Perhaps the person present at the death of Emily Veitch in 1878 is a daughter or some other relative.  If you can follow her through the censuses, etc., perhaps you can find a living descendant in the area with some information before you go visit in August.  Also, the library in Cavan, Co. Cavan has a lot of information.  I would contact them to see what they have.  I know Jonathan was very helpful when I visited in 2016.

Good luck,

Cathy

Cathy - thank you so much for the death register for Emily Veitch!  This is something I have not found in my own searching.  I was only able to find the registration of her death, so this is exciting. Do you have any idea whose name is listed as the person who was present at her death?  I am having a hard time deciphering it.  It looks like the first name could be Alice?

Eileen P.

Nansee,

I have this letter from a lawer in Dublin, Mr. Thomas Falls, to Frances Veitch Rafferty in NY regarding the settlement of Emily Veitch's trust.  Do you think we could find any information from this?

Eileen P.