Farrellys from Finternagh, Bailieboro, County Cavan

Hello,

I'm not related but found the baptism records for 7 children of Owen Farrelly and Catherine Smith. If you do not have these baptism records please let me know and I can send them to you. Because these children were born in the 1860s and 1870s, there may be civil registration birth records for them as well.

Once I hear back from you I can start the search for the children's individual birth records.

Kind Regards,

Dave Boylan

Hi Dave and thanks very much for checking out the baptismal records. I found the baptism records and their birth certs easily enough. After that with the exception of John and Mary, I couldn't find marriage, death or emigration records for the other five siblings. I have no marriage record for Owen Farrelly and Catherine Smith either. It says Catherine came from Meath on the census forms. After that there are a few Smiths/Smyth's mentioned on their children's baptismal records as sponsors (possibly Catherine's siblings or relatives)
So I've my work cut out!

Siobhán

Hi Miriam and thanks for your help. I looked up the 1911 census for this Rose Reilly and it gives her mother (also Rose) as age 56. Rose Farrelly was born in 1873 so she should appear as in and around age 38 on the 1911 census. There is a Rose on the 1911 census in Finternagh at the right age. Her mother was Margaret Reilly (I discovered her maiden name is Farrelly by looking at their children's birth certs) Margaret isn't one of my grand-aunts but I'm wondering could she have been a niece of Owen Farrelly and she was recorded as a granddaughter instead of a grandniece? Her younger brother Owen emigrated to New York in 1927 and his two grandson's have shown up as close DNA connections on Ancestry.

Siobhán

Hello Siobhán,

Many thanks for your reply. I had looked for the church marriage record for Owen Farrelly and Catherine Smith, but came up empty. I then went to the National Library of Ireland website to see what church marriage records are extent for the Killinkere and Mullagh Catholic Parish in County Cavan, and found the marriage records exist from 23 September 1766 to January 1790. There is a gap in the marriage records from 1790 through September 1841. The marriage  records then commence from October 1841 to 23 November 1861. See: https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0841

Owen and Catherine may have married in the small time period between 24 NOvember 1861 and the baptism of their daughter Bridget in 1865. I had also checked for their marriage in County Meath, as well as other Irish counties, but again without success.

On the chance they may have been married in 1864 or even 1865, I looked for their civil registration marriage record for all of Ireland but didn't find it. This search was conducted at the irishgenealogy.ie website. Civil registration of births, marriages, and deaths in ireland for all religious denominations began in 1864. If Owen and Catherine did marry in 1864 or 1865, it's possible their marriage was not reported the local registrar for the district where the marriage took place. Not all births, marriages, and deaths were reported to the repective registrars in the 32 counties of Ireland during the early years of civil registration. 

Once again Siobhán, thank you for writing back. I have found in the last few years that many people do not respond, even after finding multiple records pertaining to their ancestors in Ireland.

Best Wishes,

Dave

Thanks again Dave for putting a lot of work into researching my Family Tree. I really appreciate all your help. I know Catherine Smith was born in Meath (from the Census) but I didn't know which parish. I got as far as my great-grandparents on both sides of the family. (I have two of their marriage records and the names of 3 of my gg grandfather's are given on them). It's the tip of the iceberg so far but I still know much more than I did starting out. I had no interest in my Roots while my parents were still alive and well - if I did I would have had a much better head start but I'll still keep pressing forward anyways.

Siobhán

You're welcome Siobhán, and if there are any particular records you'd like me to look for please let me know,

With Best Wishes,

Dave

Hi Davepat,

I hooe you are keeping well in a year that will definitely stand out in history.

Just reviewing my messages and replies here. Still haven't got past the brick wall of where Peter, Patrick, Brigid, Rose and Catherine Farrelly got to as teenagers or young adults. Found a couple of possibilities in the USA but data protection means I cannot get confirmation of same. So the case is still open!

Siobhán

Hello Siobhán,

I found information that may pertain to Owen Farrelly and Catherine Smith’s son Patrick. The re.S. Social Security Applications and Claims Index, which was uncovered at Ancestry.com. But, the index gives the full name as Thomas Patrick Farrelly, rather than Patrick Farrelly.

The index gives his birth date as 12 August 1878, his place of birth as the Republic of Ireland, and also that his parents were Owen Farrelly and Catherine Smith. Other information in the index shows that his Social Security Number was 361208920, with a Note that reads, “Jul 1943: Name listed as THOMAS PATRICK FARRELLY.”

No location in the U.S is given for this record, or if the record is a Social Security Application or a Social Security Claim.

See the index below:

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007

Name: Thomas Patrick Farrelly
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1878
Birth Place: Republic of Ireland

Father: Owen Farrelly
Mother: Catherine Smith

SSN: 361208920
Notes: Jul 1943: Name listed as THOMAS PATRICK FARRELLY

Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015.
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The reason why this Social Security Index may refer to your Patrick Farrelly, is that his baptism record gives his date of birth as 11 August 1878 and his baptism as 13 August 1878. I know you already have his combination Catholic Church baptism/birth record, but the following link will bring you to the record for quick access: https://is.gd/Dn9Fuj

Patrick’s baptism is the last on the register and spans both pages of the register.

His Finternagh, Cavan birth date, according to his birth record, is also 11 August 1878: https://is.gd/R4oxfS

His date of birth in the Social Security Index is off by one day from his church baptism/birth record and his civil registration birth record. This could be a coincidence. What do you think?

I tried to find more information about Patrick or Thomas Patrick Farrelly at Ancestry.com as well as the FamilySearch website, but came up empty.

I located another Social Security Application and Claims Index. This one is for a “Cathrine” Farrelly, with a date of birth of 24 June 1881. Her birthplace is “Cavon,” Ulster, Republic of Ireland. This would of course refer to County Cavan, which was and was and is in the Province of Ulster. Cathrine’s parents are Owen Farrelly and Kathrine Smith. Her social security Number is 128200247.

We know that Catherine was actually born in the year 1875, but that her day and month of birth were 24 June in her civil birth record. Her baptism record gives her date of birth as 23 June 1875 and her date of baptism as 25 June 1875. This index could possibly refer to your Catherine Farrelly, based on the month and day of birth and baptism, but off by 6 six years for her year of birth. Again, this could be another coincidence.

Like the Social Security Applications and Claims Index for Patrick, the index for Cathrine does not mention where she was living at the time of the application or the claim, unfortunately:

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007

Name: Cathrine Farrelly
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 24 Jun 1881
Birth Place: Cavon Ulster, Republic of Ireland

Father: Owen Farrelly
Mother: Kathrine Smith

SSN: 128200247
Notes: Oct 1943: Name listed as CATHRINE FARRELLY

Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015.
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What you can do at this point, if interested, is order the Social Security Application form that Patrick/Thomas Farrelly and Cathrine Farrelly filled in when they applied for a Social Security Card.

You can apply for the Social Security Records by filling in Form SSA-711, which you can access at: https://www.ssa.gov/forms/ssa-711.pdf

You would need to apply for two different records on two application forms

The full Social Security record is $21, payable by credit card. You can also get an abstract of the record for $20.00. Purchase the full record as I don’t believe the abstract contains all the information the full record does.

See below for more details, from ancestry.com, about the Social Security applications:

Information you may find includes:

applicant's full name
Social Security Number (SSN)
date and place of birth
citizenship
sex
father's name
mother's maiden name
race/ethnic description (optional)

You may also find details on changes made to the applicant's record, including name changes or information on claims that were recorded. The most common types of claims noted include: Original SSN (when the original application was submitted to obtain a SSN), Life Claim (when a claim was made for disability or retirement benefits), Death Claim (when a claim was made by a surviving family member for death or survivor benefits), and Duplicate SSN (usually used when an application was made to replace a SS card, it may also indicate a change in SSN or that more than one SSN was assigned).

Note: Some records may include unusual abbreviations or truncated entries for county and other names or punctuation errors in the data. These are in the original; we have not altered the text.
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Also, I located a marriage index for a “Katherine” Farrelly and a fellow named Edward Grobel at the FamilySearch website. The index shows the couple were married in “New York City, Richmond…” on 9 September 1911. At the time of marriage Edward was 34 and Catherine 32. Catherine’s estimated birth year in the marriage record is 1879. Again however, we know that Katherine was born in 1875. The index shows her parents were Owen Farrelly and Katherine Smith. At the time of marriage Edward and Catherine were single. His parents were William Grobel and Elizabeth Otto. Edward was born in Brooklyn, New York.

“New York City, Richmond,” is actually a reference to Staten Island, which is one of the 5 boroughs of New York City. The other 4 boroughs are Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, and The Bronx.

The marriage index from FamilySearch is below:

New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940

Name: Edward Grobel
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 09 Sep 1911
Event Place: New York City, Richmond, New York, United States
Event Place (Original): RICHMOND, NEW YORK
Gender: Male
Age: 34
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Birth Year (Estimated): 1877
Birthplace: BROOKLIN, N.Y.

Father's Name: William Grobel
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Otto

Spouse's Name: Katherine Farrelly
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 32
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Race: White
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1879
Spouse's Birthplace: IRELAND

Spouse's Father's Name: Owen Farrelly
Spouse's Mother's Name: Katherine Smith

Citing this Collection
"New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940." Database. FamilySearch. http://FamilySearch.org : 29 November 2018. New York Municipal Archives, New York.
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Also at the FamilySearch website, I found a death record transcription for a Rose Farrelly, daughter of Owen Farrelly and Catherine Smith. Rose died at 3939 Lake Park Avenue, Chicago, Illinois, on 10 November 1955. Her age at death however is recorded as 75, with an estimated year of birth of 1880. But her Irish birth and baptism records show that Rose was born in 1873, which would actually make her 82 years old in 1955. The person who reported Rose’s death was a lady named Catherine Tookey.

The death transcription also shows that Rose’s occupation had been “Stenographer,” and that she was single when she died. The wake and funeral was from the C.S. Kelly Funeral Home. Rose was buried on 12 November 1955 in Holy Sepulchre Cemetery, Worth, Illinois.

Illinois, Cook County Deaths, 1871-1998

Name: Rose Farrelly
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 10 Nov 1955
Event Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States
Address: 3939 Lake Park Ave
Residence Place: 3939 Lake Park Ave
Gender: Female
Age: 75
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Occupation: Stenographer
Birth Year (Estimated): 1880
Birthplace: Ireland
Funeral Home: C S Kelly
Burial Date: 12 Nov 1955
Burial Place: Worth, Illinois
Cemetery: Holy Sepulchre

Father's Name: Owen Farrelly
Mother's Name: Catherine Smith

Informant's Name: Catherine Tookey

Citing this Collection
"Illinois, Cook County Deaths, 1871-1998." Database. FamilySearch. https://FamilySearch.org : 3 November 2020. Citing County Clerk, Cook County Courthouse, Chicago.
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The FamilySearch website has a link to a copy of the original death record for Rose, but the link no longer works, unfortunately. The full death record for Rose will contain more information than you see in the transcription above. This information may include the cause of death and the name of the attending physician.

A copy of Rose’s death cert can be purchased from the Cook County Clerk’s Office. Death certs are $17. As an aside, the Cook County Clerk’s Office website has a link to access non-certified death records, but this link is also not working either.

For information about ordering death certs from the Cook County Clerk, go to: https://is.gd/5VOvsU

Also see: https://www.cookcountyclerk.com/service/death-certificates

Other information I located at Family Search was the Archdiocese of Chicago Holy Sepulchre Cemetery Record for Rose Farrelly. See Below:

Illinois, Archdiocese of Chicago, Cemetery Records, 1864-1989

Name: Rose Farrelly
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 12 Nov 1955
Event Place: Worth, Cook, Illinois, United States • Edit
Event Place (Original): Worth, Cook, Illinois, United States
Age: 75
Birth Year (Estimated): 1880
Cemetery: Holy Sepulchre

Citing this Collection
"Illinois, Archdiocese of Chicago, Cemetery Records, 1864-1989." Database with images. FamilySearch. https://FamilySearch.org : 28 December 2020. Archdiocese of Chicago, Illinois.
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For a copy of the original cemetery record from the Archdiocese of Chicago, see: https://is.gd/xfq5UC

You may have to register with FamilySearch to download a copy of the original Archdiocese of Chicago, Cemetery Record for Rose.

The address, 3939 Lake Park Ave, is a high rise in Chicago, called Lake Park Place Apartments. I’m not sure if the street numbers for this area of Chicago have changed in the last 65 years, but it is possible that Rose died in the Lake Park Place Apartments in 1955.

For a Google Street View of the apartments, see: https://is.gd/gpKXCE

For a Google Map of the location of the apartments in Chicago, go to: https://is.gd/og9e50

Holy Sepulchre Cmetery is actually in Worth Township, Alsip, Illinois. For more information about the cemetery, go to the Wikipedia article at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Sepulchre_Cemetery_(Alsip,_Illinois)

Siobhán, I can’t say with certainty that any of the records in this reply refer to members of your particular Farrelly clan of Finternagh, Cavan, I just wanted to show you some of the information that is available so that you can determine whether or not you would like to look for more information, and whether it is worth the expense to do so.

With Best Wishes for the New Year,

Dave

Go raibh maith agat Dave Pat - you gathered so much information on my behalf and I really appreciate it. Ill let you know how I get on with the follow up.

Siobhán

Tá fáilte romhat Siobhán agus míle mile buíochas as do chineáltas.

Don't hesitate to write with any questions.

Dia dhaoibh agus do mhuintir don Athbhliain.

Is mise le meas,

Dave