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Hi,

For years I have been searching for more info on my great great grandfather, Oliver Goodwin. I'm pretty sure he was from the Donagh or Tydavent parish in Monaghan. His surname may have been changed from McGuigan to Goodwin while he was still in Ireland or once he immigrated to Prince Edward Island. I have done extensive DNA paternal testing on my father and it confirms we do in fact come from a Gaelic origin. There was huge immigration from County Monaghan to Prince Edward Island from the 1830s until the 1850s. From what I've seen he may have passed away in 1914. There isn't a lot of info about him. His wife died on the way over while giving birth to my great grandfather. They were Catholic. Anyone with any info would be much appreciated. For now it would be great to find another Goodwin/McGuigan in Monaghan that might know something. Angela

 

 

 

 

 

Goodwin38

Saturday 20th Apr 2019, 05:45AM

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  • Hi Angela, I am going to have a try at your post but at that point Irish records are only church by and large and if the RC records do not exist we are into other records,  I looked at Goodwin and Godwin in McLysaghts book the Surnames of Ireland and Goodwin is a synomyn of McGuigan so the same family may use the name in two formats especially in Tyrone and Derry and also McGoldrick is a synomyn. Monaghan is a neighbouring county of Tyrone and Donagh and Tydavnet is near the border.

    I looked in Griffiths Valuation here and there is on Goodwin in Donagh and a few in Tydavnet, they year is http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ This was done in 1860 and you can manipulate the plot number on the maps with difficulty and also bring it to a modern map etc the townland in Donagh is Tully, and you can find it here https://www.townlands.ie/monaghan/donagh/ there was also a Tithe register in the 1820s to 1830s and there are a few Goodwins in it, this is only those who paid and had more than an acre of land so not comprehensive. http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp 

    The RC records from here appear to only start in 1836 see https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0303 can be a tough read too. 

    The book says the name is from the Gaelic to mean Good as God and wine as friend, so friend of God I take it to be.

    A lot of counties now have genealogy Facebook pages, there is a Monaghan Genealogy page and an Old Monaghan Society so you could apply to join and see whats there, they can be hit and miss although I have no experience of those pages. 

    Good Luck,

    Pat

    St Peters Louth, IrelandXO Volunteer

    Sunday 21st Apr 2019, 11:49PM
  • Hi there there a few of us on the Prince Edward Island Canada side looking to find whether the name was always used as both "Goodwin" as well as "Goodwin "and McGuigan" in Monagan area on my part that area.You can see they go back and forth. It occurs on Census as well as Wills and family trees. 

     

     I have a Jame/John "Jock McGuigan his dad might be "John as well and his mom Bridget Doogan, Jock

    married a Margaret "Peggy" Hughes on 1834 • Ballymoney, 5300, Ireland,  John "Jock" McGuigan was born 1801 in Castleblaney, County Monaghan, Ireland. He married Margaret "Peggy" Hughes. When they arrived on Prince Edward Island is still unknown. It is possible they came in 1839, but the 1861 census, says John McGuigan was on his piece of land for 18 years making their emigration closer to 1843.Notes From Al Beagan, 98/04/15. - July 23, 1839 " A search of land records at the PEI Archives reveals that Owen Trainor leased 250 acres of land 3 miles from Johnston's River bridge from Alexander MacDonald"......This is 55 days after the arrival of the Consbrook and the Agitator.____History of the Trainor Family On Prince Edward Island 1839-1992 by Reg G. Trainor. Oct.27, 1840 "The Monaghan immigrants who came to this Island May 1839 in the Agitator and Consbrook who are entitled to their deposits paid to Hiram Shaw of Belfast known as head money and was as expected would be demanded by the Board of Health are required to attend a meeting at Davenport Lodge 4th of November next for disbursment of 57& forwarded by Shaw to Hon. Donald McDonald. By Francis Kelly agent. Oct.20, 1840"RG Reel 4 AN3 C2R674 Boston Public Library.In the book, the "Abegweit Review" 3'rd volume by Father MacIntyre, on page 35, it states that in the 1840's the second waves of McGuigan's came from County Monaghan. They sailed to Charlottetown, on ships such as the "Margaret Pollock", the "Rosebank" and the "Agitator".On reel #98, Lot 61 Leases:Dated 09 May 1846, 50 acres of land on north side of St. Mary's Road, to John Goodwin. Yearly rent the sum of a peppercorn for the first two years, three pieces sterling per acre for the third year, six pieces sterling per acre for the fourth year, nine pieces sterling per acre for the fifth year and one shilling sterling per acre for the sixth and every subsequent year of said term.Counterpart to this is lease #116, dated 06 March 1868, 100 acres of land on the North side of St. Mary's Road, to Bernard McGuigan. Entered on Ledger 2, folio 292. Yearly rent is fifteen pounds sterling for the first year and one shilling per acre for the rest of the term of the lease.1861 Census, Lot 61, John McGuigan - farmer, L. Sullivan proprietor.50 acres, 18 years of 999 lease, # in family 6, 3 b.PEI, 3 b.Ireland, all RC.Females: 45-60=1; males: 5-16=1; 16-21=2; 21-45=1; 60+=1no b-d-m in past year.land= 50 acres 3rd quality with 20 acres ariable.wheat= 8 bu., barley= 20 bu., oats= 100 bu., potatoes= 100 bu., turnips= 30 bu.hay= 1 ton, butter= 50 lbs.horses= 2, cattle= 6, sheep= 10, hogs= 10.1881 Census, lot 61, family 172 John McGuigan age 80; Marget age 70. both born Ireland, both RC.1891 List of Voters for Sturgeon Polling District:James McGuigan Jr., farmer, owner, 50 acres Bernard McGuigan, owner & freeholder, 50 acres (also on 1889 list) Edward McGuigan (also on 1889 list)All residing on St. Mary's Road.There is some confusion about the use of surnames in this family. It is a well known fact that the McGuigan, Goodman and Goodwin names have been interchanged on several occasions. The 1842 Proprietor's Map of Lot 61 shows John Goodwin living across the road from Brian McCarron. This name was crossed out and Bernard McGuigan written above it. One on their sons, James, who was married to Catherine McInnis, was named as James Goodman on the baptism entry for his daughter Mary, and Catherine was named as Cathie McCormack on the baptism entry for Bridget.Another son, Patrick was married to Mary McInnis but on the baptism entry for their son Edward, Mary was named Mary McCormack.I wondered why there was no mention of John McGuigan in the 1841 census until I read the enumerator's remarks for the 1861 census, lot 61.General Remarks:"The land on Lot 61 is generally bad. That which is not swampy is sand and flint, when looking at the new fields in the new settlers' farms, I could see the flint stones almost as thick as grass over the surface. I did not see more than 4 or 5 good farms on the whole township.There are about 40 emigrant families exiled on the west end of the lot without even a road to their miserable abodes of which they complain very much as they have to carry everything they can get (not what they want) for 10 or 15 miles on their backs.There are 2 lines of roads intended to be opened through to the Wood Island road which crosses the west end of the lot, but through some cause or other neglection for the last 3 years, and the above people are allowed to undergo all the hardship that can be then immagined, then discribed.I could not get along without wading nearly to my knees in swamp so that I had liken to lose my horse."signed: Allison Mills and D. Fraser, July 1st, 1861.General Remarks:"The west end of lot 61 is with woods but has land far from markets and the settlers are without a road or a school and it's about the last place I would choose to make a living. The land is worth nothing except for the lumber.It is a pity there was not something done toward getting a road so the poor people would get a horse to their places."signed: Allison Mills and D. Fraser, July 1st, 1861. Children of John McGuigan and Margaret Hughes are:+ 2 i. James McGuigan, born 1831 in Ireland; died April 1912 in St. Mary's Road. 3 ii. Patrick McGuigan, born Abt 1835 in Ireland; died 1905 in Sturgeon. + 4 iii. Bridget McGuigan, born 1836 in Ireland; died 24 October 1917 in St. Mary's Road, Prince Edward Island. + 5 iv. Bernard McGuigan, born 25 May 1846 in St. Mary's Road; died 11 March 1921 in St. Mary's Road. + 6 v. Edward McGuigan, born 24 June 1851 in St. Mary's Road. + 7 vi. John McGuigan, born February 1855 in St. Mary's Road. Generation No. 2. James McGuigan (John "Jock") was born 1831 in Ireland, and died April 1912 in St. Mary's Road. He married Catherine Rose McInnis.Notes 1891 census, lot 61, family #235 living in a wooden 1 story, 4 room house. This has James and Catherine living with 5 children at home.1901 census, lot 61, family #57 has James as being single and living with only his daughter - Annie. It also shows that James was born 1831 in Ireland and emigrated in 1840.An example of how this family changed their names can be found in the baptism recordings for 2 of their children. Mary, born 20 June 1861 and Bernard, born 30 June 1863 were entered in the St. James RC Church, Georgetown records (Acc.3538a/1,4, page 77) as Mary and Bernard "Goodman". Their father was recorded as James "Goodman" with mother Catherine McInnis. Bernard was also recorded in the same record book on page 183 as Bernard "McGuigan" and his parents were James "McGuigan" and Catherine McInnis. The recording priest must have known the difference and entered the baptism twiceosting an article.

    bluenoser100

    Monday 1st Feb 2021, 04:00AM

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