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Hello all

I am after some help/advice in tracing/verifying some ancestors who could have been born in Kilmoremoy.

The last definite information i have is the 1861 British census when James and Catherine McNulty ( nee Gallagher ) were living in Birmingham.  Both were born in Ireland circa 1831. They had 6 children in Birmingham, John, Ellen, James, Thomas, Ann, and Martin.  Ellen is my great grandmother.

The family all emigrated to the US in the mid 1880's except for Ellen who remained in Birmingham.

The family who emigrated to the US settled in Chicago.  Ann McNulty married a William O'Donnell in the US, and some of her children, William and Myles became involved with gangsters and actually ran the Chicago West side gang.

Here is an obituary for Catherine from Chicago...

From the April 25, 1894 issue of the Chicago Daily News, page 12: "M'NULTY-At her residence, 3744 Parnell-av., April 24, 1894, CATHARINE, beloved wife of James McNulty (nee Gallagar), aged 63 years, native of [Clanmarch?], County Mayo, Ireland. Funeral Thursday, April 26, at 9:30 a.m., to Church of Nativity, thence by cars to Calvary via C., M. & St. P. R.R."

I use Ancestry and Findmypast. I did try Myheritage but could not find anything.

I did receive a hint from Ancestry for both a Catherine Gallagher and a James NcNulty being baptised in Ballina. I have not found anything to suggest these are not my 2*great grandparents, however I cannot find anything else to actually confirm it either.  I cant find a marriage anywhere, or any location prior to 1861.

The baptism from the hint I have is James 31 Dec 1831, parents Peter McNalty and Ann Kelly......Catherine Gallagher 17 May 1831 parents John  Gallagher and Margret O'Maley..

I would appreciate any help/advice from the group....is it worth a visit when the pandemic is over ?

Regards

Gerard Grady

 

 

 

 

 

Otis

Thursday 21st Jan 2021, 12:16AM

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  • The reference to "Clanmarch" might refer to Clanmorris/Claremorris (in Irish, Clann Mhuiris or Clár Chlainne Mhuiris), which is some miles to the south of the Ballina area where you were looking.  Claremorris is the name of both a barony (an older, not particularly useful division anymore) and an electoral division, as well as being the name of the main town in the area.  This link gives a list of the townlands in the electoral division, along with further links to info on each of them:

    https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/claremorris/

    There's a little interactive map at that site which you can use to look around the area and see where Claremorris is located in relation to other parts of East Mayo.

    Claremorris is in the Catholic parish of Kilcolman, and the parish records for there which are avaiable online can be found here:

    https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1056

    Unfortunately, those records start for the most part in the mid-1830's (with a few earlier ones), so they may not be useful unless you can find more info. 

    I have both McNulty and Gallagher relatives from the area myself.  My mother's parents were James Gallagher and Ann McNulty (so, the reverse of your family lines), who came from two different parishes north of Claremorris.  Both surnames are found in Claremorris, but they appear to be far more numerous in the parishes just north of there.  I've done a lot of genealogical research in the area, and traced my family lines back about 200 years, but unfortunately I don't have anything about your James McNulty and Catherine Gallagher in my records.  Both names occur in my family, but James is a very common given name.  Catherine is less common, in my experience, and one or more Catherine McNulty's acted as a baptismal sponsor in my family in the mid-1800's, but I don't know whether there's any connection to your Catherine (if she were already married when acting as a sponsor, the priest would probably have put her down as Catherine McNulty).  I've done DNA testing, as have several of my Gallagher and McNulty second and third cousins, in case you want to compare results, but there were/are quite a few Gallagher's and McNulty's in the area (and some over the border in Sligo and Roscommon), so we may only be distantly related.

    There is one Catholic parish in the nearby area with records which go further back than the others, and that is Swineford (also called Kilconduff).  Those records are available at this link:

    https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0133

    I mention that parish, because both Gallagher's and McNulty's are very numerous in that area (my grandparents come from the parishes just north and south of there, Killedan and Killasser).

    In Irish, the surname McNulty is Mac an Ultaigh, which literally means “son of the Ulsterman” (Ultach = Ulsterman, and Ultaigh is the genitive case of the word), but it may simply refer to descent from the Ulaid, a people for whom Ulster is named, which in remote times ruled the entirety of the North of Ireland.  According to MacLysaght’s “Surnames of Ireland”, the McNulty surname originated in County Donegal, and that is where the Mayo McNulty’s came from.  A family of McNulty's migrated to the Callow Lakes area in East Mayo (Killasser parish) in the 1640's, and in the course of time McNulty’s became numerous in the region.  There are also still McNulty’s in Donegal and nearby counties, of course.  McNulty emigrants from Ulster are also known to have moved to Counties Louth and Meath (in Meath, they usually just use the name Nulty).

    There are also people in Mayo named MacNalty or MacAnalty, like that Peter McNalty whom you found.  They’re generally from a different family, whose name comes from the Irish name Mac Conallta ("son of the wild hound").

    Although the surname Gallagher is usually associated with County Donegal (where there are still many Gallagher’s), scholars now believe that a separate Gallagher "clan" originated in the Mayo/Galway area.  In Irish, Gallagher is Ó Gallchobhair (modern Irish spelling Ó Gallchúir), and it means “descendant of the foreign help”, referring to a mercenary warrior brought in from Scotland or elsewhere in Ireland to fight in local wars (known as a gallóglach, or “gallowglass”).  It may also refer to Norse ancestors, since the term "gall" was used for them as well (that is the root word in the name Galway (Gaillimh in Irish).  Galway town was founded by the Vikings, and a DNA study a few years ago showed a significant percentage of Norse ancestry in Mayo and Galway.  Although Gallagher and Gallaher are by far the most common anglicized forms of the name, especially in Mayo and Donegal, there are more than 20 other historical spellings.

    kevin45sfl

    Thursday 21st Jan 2021, 07:05PM
  • Gerard:

    I agree with Kevin's comments about Claremorris.

    I did take a look at the subscription site Roots Ireland and found the James McNalty baptismal record and the Catherine Gallagher baptismal record. Not to complicate your search but there were also two other baptismal records in the parish for James McNulty in the same time period--- James McNulty December 8 1827 father John McNulty and mother Sally Kelly   James McNolty October 26 1828 father John McNolty and mother Judith Loghny

    The other complication is that there is a gap period for Kilmoremoy/Ballina marriages.  https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0753   It appears there may be an eight year marriage record gap from 1842-1850. Based on the ages of James and Catherine, they may have married 1849-1850. They may also have married in Birmingham.

    Roger McDonnell

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Thursday 21st Jan 2021, 09:05PM
  • Thank you Kevin and Roger for your quick and detailed responses, there is some really interesting information there.

    I have never taken a DNA test, but feel it could be worthwhile.  

    I have not been able to find a marriage in England. Their first child was born in 1855 in Birmingham, so unless there was an earlier child that passed away as an infant, I 

    was thinking they would have got  married 1852/3.  I had a quick look at the links you posted and could not spot a marriage for them.

    I will have a more in depth look over the weekend.

    Thank you again for such interesting information and for the links you have posted.

    Is a visit worth considering ? Is there offline information at churches that is made available to look at or is everything online  ? Is the guiness decent around there ?!

    Regards

    Gerard 

    Otis

    Thursday 21st Jan 2021, 11:36PM
  • One additional thing to keep in mind is that weddings usually took place in the bride's home parish, so if Catherine actually was from Claremorris (Kilcolman) and they were married in Ireland, it would probably have been there.  However, that does not mean that James was necessarily from the same parish.  My Gallagher great-grandfather, for example, married a woman from Claremorris, and the wedding took place there, but he was from Killedan parish (to the north), and they went to live there after the wedding.  My grandmother explained once that people from different parishes met at weddings and fairs, and when she was in her teens (early 1900's), they also would travel to places like Westport to go to dances, and met people there from all over the area.

    There's also something else which might interest you.  There is a web site in Ireland which can be helpful to people who have identified a particular parish as relevant to their family history.  In the 1930’s, Irish schoolchildren were sent out on class projects where they interviewed mostly older people in their parish about the history and customs of the area.  Some of the interviews were conducted in English and some in Irish (Gaelic), because in some areas back then elderly people may not have been entirely fluent in English, or may have felt more comfortable speaking Irish (and the schools also wanted the children to practice their Irish).  Over 250,000 interviews were conducted and they are available online at the Irish National Folklore Collection Project’s site:  https://www.duchas.ie/en

    The content of the interviews varied from place to place, but can cover local history, local place names, people they knew, local myths and superstitions, and other customs, such as how holidays or weddings were celebrated and even on what day of the week people customarily did their washing or baked bread.  It is said to be the largest national folklore collection in the world, and the interviews can be fascinating.  The National Folklore Collection Project also has folklore podcasts (Blúiríní Béaloidis. or “Folklore Fragments”) which you can listen to (in English and Irish) at this site:   https://soundcloud.com/folklore_podcast

     

    kevin45sfl

    Friday 22nd Jan 2021, 01:28AM
  • Gerard:

    Highly recommend a DNA test. 

    I don't know if you have been to Ireland before but a visit to see the country (obviously after we are back to a safe environment) would be very worthwhile. Unless you can pinpoint where your Gallaghers and McNultys are from, I would suggest that you explore the beauty of the country rather than do genealogy research. Most records are avilable online on free or subscription sites. Once you have narrowed down a location then you can see if additional records are available locally and also visit the area(s) of your ancestors.

    Roger

     

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 22nd Jan 2021, 05:47PM

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