shipping from Ireland to Australia

Hi Marilyn

She was an Irish  orphan under what was called the Earl Grey Scheme to bring orphans to australia but not all  were strictly "Orphans.

She arrived in Sydney on the "Thomas Arbuthnot" in 1850.

Her sister Bridget  was also on the same ship.

Look under Mary Gorman in the Irish orphan database.

She already had an Uncle and Aunt here.Michael and Mary Cassidy.

regards

Rob

Wow!

I'm impressed that you found this information so quickly.  I've been searching for years and found nothing - obviously pays to know what you're doing.  Would you happen to know when her parents did die?  It's also very exciting to discover other family members.  Thanks you so much - one very happy customer!

As an extra, on Mary Ann's death certificate in 1869 it states the informant was her cousin Terence McCreagh.  I don't suppose you would have any information on him?  Hope I'm not stretching the friendship too much by asking so many questions but I'm so excited about finally getting a new lead!!!!

Kind regards, Marilyn

Dear Marilyn

Pretty easy really,you just have to know where to look!

My Great Great Grandmother was an Irish orphan too, although she came to Adelaide, so when I saw your post it was the first thing I thought of !!

At least you had some sound info to start with.Information in Adelaide is somewhere between "Buckley's" and none.

I'm excited for you.Nothing like breaking down a brick wall especially when you have been trying for years!

All orphans were first taken to Dublin and then a ship to Plymouth and thence to Australia.

The other info you asked for might take a bit longer,but I will see what I can do for you.

I take it Mary Ann died under the name Meer,and she died in NSW?

Kind Regards

Rob

Hi Rob

Thank you for that added info about the shipping - all helps to tell the 'real' story.

Yes, Mary Ann died in June 1869 at Brougham Street, Woolloomooloo, in NSW, of chronic dysentry and rheumatism - she was only 35 and had four young children.  Her death certificate has her surname as Mears, my Great Grandmother (Mary Ann's daughter, Susan) was born Meers and another daughter was Meer so there was a variation of spellings.

Since you gave me a sister for Mary Ann I've been researching her and although I need to clarify what I've found, it looks like Bridget lasted till 1911 and she had eight children - might need to purchase a few certificates to 'prove' this information though.

Thanks again for all your help and giving me a new 'burst of life' re my tree - hopefully I'll hear from you again with more information.

All the best

Marilyn

Hi Marilyn

I see you posted in 2016 looking for info on O'Gorman's.It does pay to make an inquiry every now and then.

I'm not actually a volunteer.I am very interested in Irish genealogy though,particularly where connections with Australia are concerned.

It's just a fluke I happened to see your post.

I had a look at Irish pension claims for people claiming the pension after 1908,Tithing applotment records and what is called Griffiths valuation of Ireland in 1852-55 and familysearch.

I did find a Bridget O'Gorman in County clare townland of Molosky but It would appear she is the widow of Cornelis O'Gorman.

I did find a John O'Gorman junior and senior and a James O'Gorman in the Townland of Craggaun in both Tithe applotment and Griffiths so I would hazard a guess that they are your family.

I have not had a look for Terry McCreagh yet but will look for him over the next few days.

Hopefully he will be a bit easier to find

Regards Rob

Hi Rob

Thank you for your latest post and all the information you are providing - I really appreciate it. 

I had a look on the internet and found the Griffiths Valuations 1855 that you mentioned.  As yet I have no record of a John O'Gorman junior nor James O'Gorman in my family tree so I'm curious as to why you would hazard a guess that they are my family - is there any way of knowing for sure?  I've never heard of Craggaun before so is there a reason you picked O'Gorman's from that area, as looking through the list I saw many John O'Gorman's?

Another point I just thought of, if my Mary Ann O'Gorman came to Australia via the Earl Grey Scheme, I was led to believe that at least one of her parents were dead by 1850 when she came.  I'm assuming there would be no valuation once a person was dead, especially five years later???? 

Also, I recently discovered a Funeral Notice on Trove which states that “The Friends of BRIDGET O’GORMAN are respectfully invited to attend the funeral of her deceased Daughter, Mrs MARY ANN MEARS;  to move from her residence, Brougham St, Woolloomooloo.”  This notice implys that Mary Ann's mother (wife of John O'Gorman) came to Australia prior to 1869 which is when Mary Ann died.  I don't suppose you would have a shipping list for her as I've looked with no success!  One discovery always leads to more questions, hey?

Thanks again, and look forward to whatever other discoveries you may come across.

Kindest of regards

Marilyn

Dear Marilyn

As I said in an earlier post you did not necessarily have to be an "orphan" in the strict sense of the word.

That is where a lot of people go astray.You did however have to be in poor circumstances,which most Irish were,and living in a Workhouse for selection.

In any case the mother might have been dead by 1850 which wouldn't effect Griffiths valuation.

Terence McCreagh died in 1917 in Granville with no age given and his father's name was Michael.

Shipping lists are available on Ancestry.com and most libraries have it available for free.

Craggaun is a a townland in County Clare and where there is the greatest concentration of O'Gorman's.

And no, there is no way to tell if it was Craggaun for sure as Ireland was in the middle of a great upheaval at the time and a lot of records were lost or destroyed.

Best Wishes

Rob

Thanks again for a quick response - I guess I just keep looking for clues and connections.

Regards

Marilyn