Thomas DOYLE and Rose ROGERS

Ian:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

I located the marriage record for the couple in Mullinalaghta parish also known as Lough Gowna. Below is a trancription for the record from the subscription site Roots Ireland. As you can see both Thomas and Rose were from Lough Gowna. This RC parish borders Columkille to the east. I think this record rules out William Doyle as a son of this couple. Roots Ireland had eight baptismal records for children of Thomas Doyle and Rose Rodgers. There were as follows and all were baptized in Columbkille Mary 1837 Patrick 1839 Ann 1843 Bartholomew 1846 Catherine 1848 John 1851 Thomas 1853 Michael 1856  Likely James and Charles were not children of Thomas and Rose.

Now the question is which Aghamore townland did theu live in. As you mentioned, there is a Thomas Doyle in Aghamore townland in Clonbroney civil parish https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/longford/clonbroney.htm  and although Columbkille civil parish has Doyles there is no Thomas living in Aghamore in the parish. https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/longford/columbkille.htm   In my view, however, I think your family was from Columbkille parish for two reasons. There was an RC parish of Clonbroney so you would think the younger children would have been baptized in that church if living in Clonbroney civil parish. Second, the baptismal record you have from Ancestry for Patrick shows Aghamore Upper which is in Columbkille parish.

Let me know if you have questions.

Roger McDonnell

Date of Marriage:11-Feb-1836
Parish / District:MULLINALAGHTA
County:Co. Longford
Husband  ThomasDoyle Address: Lough Gowna
RoseRodgersAddress:Lough Gowna
 

Thanks, Roger:

I've been trying to absorb it all and go over my notes more carefully. Here is some follow-up information:

James Doyle appears in the Emigrant Savings Bank Test Books (of New York) in 1866: 

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James DOYLE or brother Patrick
residence: 308 West 27th St. [address of Bartholomew DOYLE]
occupation: Laborer
James born 1844 / Patrick born 1840 
where born: Co Longford Ireland 
James arrived 1863 
Patrick arrived 1860 per “Panama”  
Father: Thos. Mother: Rose ROGERS

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And then in 1870 in Mercer County, Pennsylvania: 

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Pat DOYLE, 24, Laborer, b. Ireland
Anna DOYLE, 19, keeps house, b. Ireland
Bartley DOYLE, 26?, Laborer, b. Ireland
James DOYLE, 25, Laborer, b. Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZ8H-VL?i=173&cc=14380…

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But that's not much to go on - and I can't definitely say what happened to James afterward.

Patrick, by the way, shows up a few times in the test books and in one of them it says he's from "Granard Longford Ireland" - if that makes any difference.

And there's a promising candidate for Rose which I probably should pursue: 

Name    ROSE DOYLE
Date of Death    1867
Group Registration ID    N/R
SR District/Reg Area    Longford
Deceased Age at Death    56
Returns Year    1867
Returns Quarter    3
Returns Volume No    13
Returns Page No    136

Ian:

Roots Ireland has the Columbkille baptismal records starting in 1833, however, the parish register on the NLI for Columbkille has records starting in 1845. I was hoping you could scan the parish register for a James Doyle record but you won't have that opportunity.

On death records, the free site www.irishgenealogy.ie has death record images starting in 1878 until 1966. They do have plans to add the records back to 1864 but we don't have any firm dates. I don't believe the record you located is for your Rose Doyle. Death records are filed by registration districts and Co. Longford has three registration districts-- Longford, Ballymahon and Granard. Your family would be in the Granard registration district and the index record you located is in the Longford district so likely another Rose Doyle.

Roger

Thanks for the tip regarding Rose. And it's certainly maddening that there are so many gaps in the registers!