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William Kelly and Luke Kelly occupiers in 1858 of valuation lots 23 and 24 in 1858.

Seeking current Foughil residents with historic knowledge of any kind.

Particularly need advice finding William and Luke's relationship and their ancestors.

Kelly Hunt

Wednesday 11th Mar 2020, 03:40PM

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  • According to the Tithe Applotment records for 1832 there was Michael Kelly farming at Faughhill, Kilkeevin, Roscommon ..

    http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625668/00… - (fifth from the bottom).

    You might also find a BMD from the parish records of Kilkeevin, Diocese of Elphin ...

    https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0551

     

    Kevin Moore

    Tuesday 24th Mar 2020, 04:49PM
  • Hello Kevin Moore,

    Michael Kelly in Faughill TA records(1832) is probably the father of William or Luke or both in the GV records(1854).

    I did and area comparison of the 1832 area to the 1854 area. Michael's holding of 1832 was roughly 17 acres, whereas Luke's holding of 1854 was roughly 15 acres and William's 10 acres.

    Questions concerning these discrepancies in area:.Were new holdings acquired by 1854 or were recorded areas based on actual planted acres?

    I have an extensive list of candidates of Michaels from the Kilkeevin Parish Baptismal records. What is a BMD?

     

    Kelly Hunt

    Friday 27th Mar 2020, 04:56PM
  • Births, marriages and deaths

    Kevin Moore

    Wednesday 1st Apr 2020, 01:12PM
  • Here's something for you to work on (if you haven't already done so) ...
    1901 Census Residents of a house 19 in Foughill (Coolougher, Roscommon)
    Surname       Forename      Age     Sex                 Relation to head       Religion
    Kelly               Luke               75        Male               Head of Family         Roman Catholic
    Kelly               Bridget Kelly 70        Female           Wife                            Roman Catholic
    Coffey             Delia               8          Female           Grand Daughter       Roman Catholic

    10th March 1884 Bridget Kelly, daughter of Luke Kelly farmer of Faughill, married Patrick Coffy (Castlerea).  Michael Kelly was a witness

    7th December 1886 Thomas Coffey born to Patrick Coffey & Bridget Kelly
    5th July 1888 Michael Coffey born to Patrick Coffey & Bridget Kelly
    10th April 1890 Delia Coffey born to Patrick Coffey & Bridget Kelly
    8th November 1891 Patrick Coffey born to Patrick Coffey & Bridget Kelly

    21st October 1915 Luke Kelly, married landowner aged 77 (born about 1838) dies at Foughill. John Kelly his son was present at the death.

    13th March 1916 Bridget Kelly, widow of landowner aged 72 (born about 1844) at Foughill. Margaret Kelly, daughter-in-law, was present at the death.

    1911 Census Residents of a house 6 in Foughill (Coolougher, Roscommon)
    Surname       Forename      Age     Sex                                         Relation to head       Religion
    Kelly               Patrick            67        Male, widower, farmer         Head of Family         R Catholic
    Kelly               Patrick            33        Male, single                          Son                             R Catholic
    Kelly               Michael          29        Male, single, carpenter       Son                             R Catholic
    Kelly               William           26        Male, single                          Son                             R Catholic
    Kelly               Mary               23        Female, single                      Daughter                   R Catholic

    1911 Census Residents of a house 7 in Foughill (Coolougher, Roscommon)
    Married 57 years, 6 children all still alive
    Surname       Forename      Age     Sex                                         Relation to head       Religion
    Kelly               Luke               84        Male   Head of Family, farmer                               R Catholic
    Kelly               Bridget           75        Female                                   Wife                            R Catholic

    Kevin Moore

    Wednesday 1st Apr 2020, 02:09PM
  • Hello Kevin Moore,

    Thanks for your findings, many of which were yet to be uncovered.

    I have good certainty about Luke Kelly and Bridget Gunning, married
    Kilkeevin 12 March? 1850.

    Also, good certainty about Luke Kelly baptized Kilkeevin 5 May 1828,
    son of Michael Kelly and Honora Kearney. Michael Kelly(TA 1832) good
    candidate for father of William(GV1854) and my gr gr gandfather.
    William's baptismal record not yet certain, but a few Michael
    candidates with different mothers.There's estimated 20 years
    difference in William and Luke's ages.

    Have not located Bridget Gunning's baptism.The Gunning surname is in
    Foughill records.

    Where the consistency breaks significantly is  for Luke and Bridget's
    death ages. Though death ages may be less well known to informants.

    The Michael Kelly of 1901, 1911 Foughil matches well as Luke and Bridget's son.

    Do you have any connections to the Trien Historical Group? Trien is
    the adjacent townland to Foughill and has many of the same surnames.
    Their survey of the Kilkeevin churchyard has some Foughil entries.

    Kelly Hunt

    Tuesday 7th Apr 2020, 05:38PM
  • Hi Kelly

    I don't have any conections to the Trien Historical Group. I only did some research on your family because I was looking at similar records in Roscommon for my family (the Moraghan's from Ardcarn). I did find some baptismal records for Bridget Gunning but I am not sure if any of them are yours:

    Bridget Gunning Baptisms

    15 March 1769 Degany, County Wicklow
    26th August 1805 Riverstown, County Sligo
    13th October 1812 Ahamlish, County Sligo (Name spelt as Cunnaan)
    1st February 1812 Riverstown, County Sligo

    The following are possibilities - assuming that Bridget was over 18 when she married in 1850 (it's a shame that her father's name wasn't on the marriage record).

    29th May 1826 Riverstown, County Sligo
    Father: Daniel
    Mother: Margaret Cawley
    Sponsors: John Gunning & Maria Lyons

    6th December 1827 Kingstown, County Dublin
    Father: Danial
    M0ther: Eliza
    Sponsors: Jonathan Murphy& Mary Murphy

    29th April 1833 Killanummery, County Leitrim
    Father: John Gunning
    Mother: Mary Brehanny
    Sponsors: none recorded

    By the way. Don't take ages as being certain. I have found variations of up to 20 years either way with many of my relatives.

    Kevin

    Kevin Moore

    Wednesday 8th Apr 2020, 03:55PM
  • Hello Kevin,

    Thanks again for more findings. Much to piece together yet, but on my way

    Kelly Hunt

    Friday 10th Apr 2020, 09:18PM

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