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About 1799, the King of England granted Richard Warmington, born in England, lands and title in County Armagh. He became known as Lord Warmington (the first Lord). He had brothers, Joseph and Charles that also went with him to Ireland.
One of his sons, also named Richard married an Elizabeth Colter (about 1818 in Armagh), she born in County Armagh, in 1799. They had 7 children. After the first Lord Warmington died, the title and lands went to his son Richard, the second Lord Richard Warmington. He drowned in a bog in 1836.
Then about 1840, Elizabeth and her children immigrated to Canada. Most stayed in Canada but some moved to Ohio and Michigan. The same oral history comes from both Elizabeth and one of her sons.
Does anyone know how this can be proven with any records? Any help in tracking down this information would be greatly appreciated.
Hal HorrocksTuesday 7th Feb 2023, 07:44PM
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You may already be aware of them, but there are records for what appears to be that family in the FamilySearch database:
If you search there, you can find the younger Richard under ID number MW5C-CMS, and can access the records for the others easily through that record, as you will see. The info there does not answer your question, but in each record, at the right hand side of the screen, you can see the screen names of those who have created or modified the record, and can send them private messages, so you might be able to get more info by contacting them (and perhaps also locate some relatives that way). You actually have more info about parts of the family than what is shown at Family Search.
FamilySearch is operated by the LDS church, and is free to use. You have to create an account to use the database, but they don’t ask for much personal info, and no missionaries will contact you or anything like that. The database does not have separate family trees, and is essentially one huge tree of linked records, in which there is a single record for each person, with a unique identification number, although sometimes people unknowingly create duplicate records for the same person, which you can merge when you spot them. It appears that several people have created competing records for your family, each with some differing info, including info about the family members who stayed in Armagh. You might ultimately want to work with the others on rationalizing the info. If you do, be sure to check out the records at LTYA-TVY and M48X-XMM,.
One of those records says that the family lived at Creggan in Armagh. There is a civil parish called Creggan in Armagh, which also has two townlands within it with Creggan in their name, Creggan Duff ("Black Creggan") and Creggan Bane ("White Creggan").. You can see more info about the parish at this link, where there is both an interactive map of the area and also a list of the townlands in the parish, with further links to info about those townlands:
I also checked out one of the sites which tracks surnames in Ireland, which you can see at this link (the Warmington surname is quite rare, and the family members seem to have stuck close to that area):
I also visited one of the sites that tracks surnames in Ireland, which may be found at this link.
The Royal Cornwall Gazette of 10th June 1836 has an advert for a 99 years lease of land in Penryn, Cornwall “late in the occupation of Richard Warmington.” So this might be land belonging to Richard which was put up for sale following his death. (Or it might be a different Richard Warmington altogether).
I searched the British Newspaper Archives for reports of Richard’s marriage c 1818 and for his death in 1836 but without success. If he had been gentry or nobility you might expect both events to be reported.
If the Warmington family were genuinely nobility (ie Lords) then they should be listed in Debretts or Burkes Peerage, both of which are available on-line (pay to view). You might want to look into those.
A grant of land in Ireland by the king in 1799 (George III) seems a bit late for me. Most of the major Irish land grants in Armagh and Ulster generally were made at the time of the Plantation (1610 – 1625) or after the 1641 uprising when some was declared forfeit. By 1799 nearly all land in Ireland belonged to someone else (and not the King). The family may well have acquired land in Armagh in 1799 but it probably wasn’t directly from the King.
I looked in the Irish Registry of Deeds records for the late 1790s (available on Family Search) and I don’t see any deeds to Warmingtons at all, nor are there any in PRONI's indexes, in Belfast. Perhaps the timing is out a bit. You might want to search the indexes further looking at later years.
The tithe applotment records c 1831 list these 6 Warmingtons farming in Armagh. There were no other Warmington farmers elsewhere in Ulster at that time.
Warmington, James-- Townland: Ballier Year: 1832-Lisnadill-Armagh
Warmington, James-- Townland: Ballybrawley Year: 1832-Lisnadill-Armagh
Warmington, John-- Townland: Tullyvallon Hamilton Year: 1830-Newtownhamilton-Armagh
Warmington, Joseph-- Townland: Ballier Year: 1832-Lisnadill-Armagh
Warmington, Joseph-- Townland: Tullyvallon Hamilton Year: 1830-Newtownhamilton-Armagh
Warmington, Widow - Townland: Tullyvallon Hamilton Year: 1830-Newtownhamilton-Armagh
The 1766 Religious census for Creggan, Co Armagh lists a Josh(ua) Warmington then, suggesting that branch of the family was resident in the area in the mid 1700s.
Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘