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My great grandparents were Patrick Ford and Ellen Crowe from Annaghdown, County Galway. I am trying to find a birth/baptism certificate for Ellen (and possibly other siblings).

Ellen immigrated to NZ on the Melbourne departing Leith Dec 16, 1860, arriving Port Chalmers, Dunedin, March 17, 1861. The ship’s log of assisted passengers lists Pat. Crowe and Helen Crowe, Drumgriffin.
Also on board was Patrick Ford, from Annaghdown. He was baptised on 24 Jan 1837 in the Annaghdown Parish, Co Galway. Father Michael Ford, Mother Mary Boyle. They came from Lisheenornan townland (Corrandulla) in the Annaghdown Parish. Michael and Mary were married on 15 March 1835 in the Annaghdown Parish.

Two years after their arrival in NZ, Patrick Ford and Ellen Crowe were married in Dunedin on 29 Aug 1863. The marriage certificate says Patrick was 24 and Ellen 20, so she was born about 1843. However she died on 22/1/1928 aged 89, suggesting she was born in 1838. (Quite some discrepancy but I can’t find any other documents to clarify her DOB). On her death certificate her parents are listed as Anthony Crowe and Ellen Crowe (nee Small).

I am able to view the NLI website of baptisms for the Annaghdown Parish (Sept 1834 to Sept 1869). However I wondered if there was an annotated version available listing names as it is very hard to decipher the original microfilm. Incidentally, I don’t know which townland our Crowe’s came from (although Griffiths valuation lists Crowes in the Barrany). I have been told immigrants to NZ from Annaghdown sometimes put Drumgriffin because there was a post office there. Family tradition also says Ellen was born at Clear, Galway (possibly Claregalway?) Any help or suggestions would be welcomed. John Curran mandjcurran@xtra.co.nz

MJC

Sunday 2nd Oct 2022, 01:35AM

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  • Local volunteer contacted.

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 2nd Oct 2022, 12:10PM
  • Hi John,

    Thanks for your message. Based on the names, I suspect your Anthony Crowe was the grandfather of Anthony Crowe of Carheeny, recorded aged 28 in the 1901 census: http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Liscananaun/Carheeny/1379316/. Ellen Crowe died aged 90 on 29 December 1891 in Cloghaun, with the death registered by her grandson Anthony Crowe: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06042/4721191.pdf.

    Cloghaun and Carheeny adjoin each other and both are difficult townlands when it comes to records: part of Carheeny is in Annaghdown parish, with the remainder in Lackagh parish; while part of Cloghaun is in the parish of Lackagh, with the remainder in Claregalway parish. The 1901 census return linked above records Martin Crowe aged 60 as head of household. His wife was Julia Walsh, and they were married in Lackagh Parish in February 1862. The birth of their eldest child Ellen is recorded on 24 December 1864. I didn't see a corresponding baptism for her in the Lackagh records, but you may wish to check this again, as well as the Claregalway records, to ascertain in which parish their sacraments were recorded. In addition to the National Library website, the paid website rootsireland.ie has transcriptions of most parish records for Co. Galway.

    Kind regards,

    Paul,

    Annaghdown Heritage Society / IrelandXO Volunteer.

    Annaghdown Parish

    Sunday 2nd Oct 2022, 11:50PM
  • Hello Paul

     

    Thank you very much for your speedy response to my query and for suppling the information on Anthony and Ellen Crowe and the townlands that they possibly came from. In fact I joined rootsireland and successfully downloaded certificates Curran ancestors from Dungarvan and for Patrick Ford's baptism and his parent's marriage. I believe I tried Ellen Crowe but was unsuccessful and my subscription ran out. So with the information you have supplied re the townlands and parishes I will try again.

    Once again I am greatly impressed by your very prompt response and wish to reiterate my thanks. Kind regards John Curran

    MJC

    Monday 3rd Oct 2022, 04:13AM
  • Hello, I have a one name study for Crowe in Ireland (the English version comes from Norfolk England) and a website for the same and making emigration connections across the world. I have a website for the same https://www.crowegenealogy.net/index.php The origins for the name are just south of the county border in Clare. There are not many in Galway and many seem to be in a cluster around Annaghdown and I have the records from the Parish register but no entry for Ellen specifically. Not unknown that individuals from one family are missing and some only 'appear' when they emigrate due to more accurate recording etc. The second home of the Crowe name is Tipperary due to migration in Ireland. I assume Galway to be the same issue? One of the records concerns an Edmund Crowe who had several children with a Cath / Kate Ford(e) 1854 - 1869 a reciprocal marriage maybe? The website above covers some possible Anthony connections (from memory, I only ever found three Anthony Crowes in all my records -thousands)? Anyway please let me know what you think of the names on the website (the charts are pdf and there is a parish map at the top of the Galway page) there are many more unpublished and I feel we can exchange some useful information here? Best wishes Shay Anyway I have some comprehensive records of these Annaghdown Crowes that I am happy to pass over.

    Seamus Crowe, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Saturday 24th Dec 2022, 07:28PM
  • Hello Shay Thank you for your interest and reply. I haven't made any further progress but recently I was informed by ancestry (of which I am a member) that I was a 2-3 cousin of a certain lady. I don't usually take much notice of my DNA matches, athough the few I have followed up have been quite accurate. On ancestry from this lady's tree she is the ggd of a Martin Crowe born circa 1841 in Galway. If my Ellen Crowe and Martin were siblings that would make us exactly third cousins. Martin Crowe was born in Galway in about 1841 (so certainly a contempory of Ellen). He married Julia Judy Walsh and had children. Daughter Ellen was baptised at Claregalway on 30 Dec 1864. There were other children. Anthony, Maggie, Julia etc. At the 1901 census Martin is listed as resident at Carheeny, Liscananaun, Galway, head of a household. Would it be possible to find out from this information a baptism certificate for Martin and establish what his parent's names were in order to find whether he is a brother of my ggm Ellen Crowe? Meantime I will look at your database and see what I can find on it. Thanks again for your help. Regards John Curran mandjcurran@xtra.co.nz

    MJC

    Tuesday 27th Dec 2022, 09:48AM
  • Hello,

    I don't seem to have ever replied to this?

    Martin = Julia  (couldbe any name beginning with J)    :)

    Ellen 30 Dec 1864

    Catherine 17 Oct 1869

    both of a townland called F- or L- enanclough Claregalway

    Anthony 5 Oct 1873

    John 29 Oct 1876

    both of Lackagh Parish

    You can get images on the National Lib of Ireland website by navigating to the parish - use the search box - and then putting in the dates

    A little searching about in the areas and dates may give collateral information about other people on the ship.

    If you need more help with this please let me know? I will try and respond a little quicker

    Thanks for the extra information about them going to Australia and I will mark my records accordingly

    Shay

    Seamus Crowe, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 7th Jul 2023, 11:24AM
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    Your volunteer Paul very kindly posted a reply on Sunday 2nd Oct 2022, to my query about my ggm Ellen Crowe (born somewhere between 1838 and 1843) and suggested her parents may have been the grandparents of Anthony Crowe aged 28 in the 1901 census. I joined Roots.Ireland (briefly) and discovered, as in the census record, that Anthony's parents were Martin Crowe (baptised 19 Oct 1838, St Nicholas Galway) and Julia Walsh. I also discovered on Roots that Martin had a brother Patrick Crowe (baptised 6 Mar 1836 Castlegar Galway). Patrick came to NZ and married Ellen Laffey in Christchurch in 1862. On the baptism records Martin and Patrick's parents are given as Anthony Crowe and Ellen (Nelly) Glynn (see attached). According to my ggm Ellen's death cert (filled out by the undertaker well after her husband died) her parents were Anthony and Ellen Crowe nee Small. However I have at least 8 DNA matches (from 2-3 cousin to more distant) with descendants of both Martin and Patrick, so I wonder if the maiden name of her mother on her death cert was incorrect and it should have been Glynn. However I could find no record on Roots of a birth cert for Ellen or any other siblings of Martin and Patrick. Would IRO have any additional information that might help me establish Ellen's parents? Thank you for your past information and I again look forward to your help. Regards John Curran mandjcurran@xtra.co.nz 

    MJC

    Tuesday 17th Oct 2023, 04:13AM

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