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Hello,

Are there any Butler descendants here, who have roots in or near Ballybeigh?

There is a Catherine (Kitty) Phelan and John Butler who were having children around the 1820's and 1830's.  I may (or may not!) be related to them.  They had a son Patrick b 1829.  My ancestor Patrick Butler gave a birth date of 1834, but also had parents John Butler and Catherine Whelan (are Whelan and Phelan interchangeable???).

So the birth date isn't a match - but then again my ancestor married a girl here in Australia who was only 17 in 1864 so perhaps he modified his age somewhat....!

Finally - there is a convict Patrick Butler who was born Kilkenny in about 1830 and was sent to Tasmania after sheep stealing in 1848 (ship arrived in Tasmania August 1849).  He may be the Ballybeigh Patrick Butler or may not be.  Does anyone know if there are sources for Kilkenny court records?  Newspapers have come up blank.

Long shot but worth an ask!

Sally - Melbourne, Australia.

Sally2154

Wednesday 19th Apr 2023, 02:58AM

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  • Sally,

    I have Phelans and Whelans in my family.  Phelan and Whelan are the same name--I've found records for the same family using these two names. In the Irish language, Phelan and Whelan translate into O'Faolain. 

    Patricia

    Wednesday 19th Apr 2023, 04:29PM

  • https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6683-CT98 Baptism of Thomas Butler  28/8/1814, son of John Butler and Catherine Phelan

    Eileen

    Wednesday 19th Apr 2023, 05:02PM

  • https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939F-GMSH-ZP?i=10&cc=180488… Tax assessment for John Butler of Tullaroan,  Ballybeagh, County Kilkenny 1833

    Eileen

    Wednesday 19th Apr 2023, 05:11PM

  • Thank you Patricia - it is good to know how interchangeable those names are!  One less obstacle to linking my family to the Butlers in Ballybeigh!  :-)

    Sally2154

    Thursday 27th Apr 2023, 12:40AM

  • Eileen - I hadn't seen the Tax Assessment before.  Thank you for the lead!  Much appreciated :-)

    Sally2154

    Thursday 27th Apr 2023, 12:41AM

  • Hello Sally,

    My name is James Butler from Freshford, County Kilkenny.

    I am in the process of researching all Butler families in the parish of Freshford. There are many!

    Do you use Ancestry.com? If so, what is your profile URL and/or username and I'll contact you again from with the website.

    Thank you.

    James Butler

    Friday 2nd Jun 2023, 11:22AM

  • Thanks for reaching out on Ancestry, James.  I always forget to come back and check this site!

    Sally

    Sally2154

    Saturday 10th Jun 2023, 07:08AM

  • Church Marriage Record for: John Butler and Catherine Phealan
    Date of Marriage:    07-Nov-1813          
    Parish / District:    FRESHFORD        County:    Co. Kilkenny
    Husband        Wife
    Name:    John    Butler        Catherine    Phealan
    Address:    Not Recorded 

    Microfilm 05015 / 03 | Page 18
    Freshford; County of Kilkenny; Diocese of Ossory. Marriages, Feb. 1813 to Feb. 1814

    https://registers.nli.ie/pages/vtls000635338_018


    Church Baptisms to John Butler (plus variants) & Catherine Phelan
    Action    Source    Surname    First Name    Year    County     
    Butler    Thomas    1814    Co. Tipperary    
    Butler    Bridget    1820    Co. Kilkenny    
    Butler    Laurence    1822    Co. Kilkenny    
    Butler    Martin    1825    Co. Kilkenny    
    Butler    Patrick    1829    Co. Kilkenny    
    Butler    Michael    1831    Co. Kilkenny    
    Butler    Catherine    1834    Co. Kilkenny    
    Butler    Mary    1838    Co. Kilkenny    

    Note the first child is born in Ballingarry, Tipperary.

    There are lots of BUTLERS in this part of Kilkenny but this family is the only one that comes up in a search with these parents' s names.

    With the exception of the first child baptised in Commons, Ballingarry (just over the county border) the rest are born in Ballybeagh.

    There is a John PHELAN in Ballybeagh in 1849 (Griffith's Valuation), possibly related to Catherine. And there are 5 different BUTLER households in various townlands in the civil parish of Tullaroan and 2 other PHELANs that would be worth researching further. Use the names of the sponsors on the children's baptisms as further clues as there are a few more BUTLERs appearing there.

    https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/crannagh/tullaroan/ballybeagh/ballybe…

    Dale Fogarty

    dfgrty

    Saturday 8th Jul 2023, 04:00AM

  • i have my wifes tree on Ancestry Butler / Phelan Tullaroan 

    johnfheaden

    Thursday 11th Apr 2024, 04:55PM

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