Hanorah (Anne) Manning nee Dillane

Bill:

I searched on the subscription site Roots Ireland and found a February 8 1871 baptismal record in the Templeglantine RC parish. The record was for a Honora Dillane. Her father was Edmond Dillane and mother Hana Doody. The family lived in Sugarhill townland in Monagay civil parish. 

Monagay civil parish would be south of Shanagolden parish. It is very possible that Honora would have emigrated north for her employment opportunity. I don't see Edmond rather than Edward to be a problem.

Roger McDonnell

Roger thank you.

I researched that Honora Dillane Sugar Hill, Templeglantine thinking I had found my great grandmother and spent a lot of hours collecting all the details I could find for her parents, siblings, even a set of twins like she had and then happened across a marriage 19 Feb 1898 Hanora Dillane, SugarHill, Templeglantine to Michael Donohoe.  Father listed as “Ned”.  Profession is blank.  Condition is spinster.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10412/5791367.pdf

Even though Limerick would not be her county of birth as reflected in the 1901 and 1911 census another advisor had proposed a Honora Dillane baptized Duagh, Listowel, Kerry.  Residence Knockalougha.  Birth 15 Apr 1874.  Father Edmond Dillane mother Mary Dillane.  Might her marriage witness Mary Dillane have been her mother?  I have not found a sibling Mary for the Duagh Honora

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03143/2152695.pdf

While I’m still fairly new to this research going down a rabbit hole can be frustrating and I was trying to avoid doing deep research on more Hanora Dillane’s and variants, father named Edward with variants, born in the 1870s.  Without the positive connection it appears for this ancestor it is more about figuring out who it isn’t.  I wish the church records were available to possibly provide more clues.  It seemed a lot easier with my Kilkenny City Comerford's.

Again, thank you for all you do.  I might need to address my bucket list travel to Ireland and include the RC church at Shanagolden on my trip.

Bill

Bill:

I have another possibility which you may have already pursued. The 1899 marriage record indicates that Edward Dillane was a labourer. I looked for all Edward/Edmond/Edmund Dillanes in the 1901 census in Co. Limerick. I found another Edward Dillane in the townland of Rathnaneane again in Monagay civil parish.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Newcastle/Rathnaneane/1510754/

This Edward's wife was Johanna. You will also note that there was a niece born in Co. Kerry which means that this Edward's brother was living in Kerry.

Farm labourers or general labourers did move around a lot.

I did find a May 14 1871 baptismal record for a Johanna Dillane with father Edward and mother Johanna Gibbon. The RC parish was Dromcolliher and Broadford.

Roger

Roger,

I very much appreciate all the brainstorming assistance and the Ireland/Irish insight provided by these interactions.  Google maps also helps a lot.

I am not sure how the 1871 Johanna birth registration helps.  My Hanorah's marriage, death, and her children's birth registrations all identify her as either Anne or Hanorah.  I did see in "find my past" Johanna's parents Edmund and Johanna also had a daughter Maria born in 1878.  So probably worth the effort for me to review the 1870-1879 baptisms on NLI and see what else I find as to other children.

I did just notice that Hanorah's first born daughter was named Mary, which was also the given name of one of the witnesses "Mary Dillane" at Hanorah's marriage.  My Comerford line repeated a lot of generational names.

But I think without more definitive clues I would be guessing or at best eliminating possibilities.  Which may be what I have to do.  As I suggested previously the only resources I know of that might give me additional clues are Hanorah's children's baptisms.  If any of her family happen to be sponsors or here marriage if not married in her home parish.  But none of those from this recent are available online yet.  Might the household she was a servant in have any kind of records on the servants?

I did have a separate question regarding my Manning family.  Should I start another thread?

One of have Pat Manning and Hanorah's sons Joseph, DOB 26 Nov 1902 the family rumor is he died at sea.  That is the only information I have.  I have no dates, places, reasons he was at sea, just that tidbit of a family story.

Again thank you and all the other volunteers for what you do.

Bill:

If he died 1921 or earlier then Joseph would have been a British citizen. I looked at the British National Archives site   https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/birth-marriage-death-sea-or-abroad/   and they indicate the death would have been recorded in the Irish registration office if it was reported by the ship's captain. There are no records that I could find in the Irish GRO so it appears his death was not recorded. 

Roger

Roger,

Thank you I wish I had more clues for Joseph.

I have found four Hanorah (with some variations) Dillane with father named Edward (with some variations) born between 1862 and 1882 from Limerick and Kerry to research.  Won't prove my great grandmother, but should eliminate some possibilities until maybe additional clues come up from RC records.

The times late 1800's early 1900s I am looking can be challenging on the non-subscription sites or just availability for legal or other reasons.

The volunteers at Ireland XO have been very helpful on my Kilkenny Comerford and Limerick Manning research and I'm sure I will be back.  Saving my maternal grandmother Rural Cork Murphy (lol) her mother name McCarthy (lol) for last.

Again thank you.