Great Grandfather John McDonagh

Stephen:

See third record.  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…
 

Is this record for your John?

I did not locate a marriage record in East Mayo. Perhaps Ellen was from a different area in Ireland and the marriage was held in that county. I will check further.

Roger McDonnell

Stephen:

If I have the correct family, the children were Patrick 1862 Bridget 1865 Michael 1867 John 1870 Anthony 1872 Nicholas 1877 Mary 1881

According to the subscription site Roots Ireland, the parents were married February 12 1861 at Swinford RC church.

I did not find a marriage record for Ellen Ryan and John McDonagh in Ireland.

Nicholas Sr. died in 1900. See seventh record https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05750/4624063.pdf

Family in 1901 census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Killedan/Killedan/1596984/

Bridget died in 1907 See third record https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05501/4541340.pdf

Roger

It looks like the couple may have married in England, there's a good match on the BMD index March quarter 1906 in Middlesbro' / Middlesbrough registration district (Volume 9d page 788) - this district includes Thornaby civil parish, Yorkshire North Riding. A civil  marriage cert should give you names and occupation of the fathers of the bride & groom.

The marriage year matches a probable listing for this family on the 1911 census at Victoria Road Thornaby on Tees - John McDonagh age 38 Tramway Inspector born 'Co. Mayo. Kiltimagh', the town of Kiltimagh is in Killedan civil and RC parish. John's wife Ellen is listed as born Co.  Limerick, Kilmallock, Effin'

Thanks Shane!

Note that the birth record is from the Swineford registration district, but that does not mean that the family lived in Swineford/Kilconduff parish.  Civil records of births started in 1864 (for Catholics), and the civil registration districts were large areas covering several parishes, and simply took their names from a major local town.  The record which Roger located clearly shows the family’s home townland as Killedan (which bears the same name as the parish of Killedan).  I can tell that, because the Honora Gallagher whose birth is listed further down on the page is a distant cousin of mine, and is correctly shown as being from the townland of Comdera (Comderry), also in Killedan parish.

My (Gallagher) grandfather grew up in Killedan parish, in a townland called Carrownteeaun (Carrantiane), which is actually separated from the townland of Killedan by just one other townland, Rathslevin, and there were also McDonagh’s living in Carrownteeaun, as well as in the nearby townland of Treenageleragh.  There were several Gallagher-McDonagh marriages there in the 1800’s, so we might even be related (have you done DNA testing?).  You can see more info about Killedan township at this link:

https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/gallen/killedan/killedan/killedan/

To add to the census info which Roger sent you, here is a link to a similar 1901 record which shows, in addition to Bridget and her family (presumably some of her adult children), another McDonagh family living there at the same time, headed by a Pat McDonagh, with his wife and infant son.  Pat was very likely another of Bridget’s children (likely the same older brother Pat whom Roger found):

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=19…

Since Roger found a death record for Bridget’s husband, Nicholas, in 1900, that explains why he is not shown with the family in the 1901 census.

I’ve also located another potentially related record.  In Griffith’s Valuation (mid-1800’s), there is just one McDonagh listed in Killedan township, a Michael McDonagh:

https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNa…

That Michael is very likely the father of Nicholas McDonagh, who would himself have probably been too young at the time to hold a tenancy, but probably inherited it when his father died.  So, that may take you back another generation.  There were earlier censuses in the 1800’s, but most of the records were destroyed in 1922, during the Irish Civil War.  They can sometimes be found in 20^th century old-age pension records (which were not destroyed), since people often used copies of the old census records to prove their ages, but unfortunately the pensions started in 1909, and Roger has found a death record for Bridget in 1907.

I just found another record which may show the marriage of Nicholas McDonagh and his wife Bridget [surname Jordan, if this is the right record].  I know from my own research that people often married someone from another parish (it happened a number of times in my family), and that the townland of Killedan is near the boundaries with the parishes of Bohola and Swineford/Kilconduff, and I already had all of the parish register pages from those parishes downloaded for my own research, so I searched around the year 1860 for their marriage, since Roger found the son Pat's birth in 1862, which accords roughly with the 1901 census record (off by a few years - but people in those days were often vague on exactly what year they were born).

Anyway, I found the attached record for a marriage in Swineford/Kilconduff of a Nicholas McDonagh and a Bridget Jordan on 12 February 1861 (5th entry down on the right-hand page), which would tie in well if Pat was their oldest child (and thus inherited the farm) and was born the next year.  No way to be sure without more info, but here's the record for what it's worth.  The Jordan surname is very common in the area, and presumably Bridget was born in that parish, since the marriage was there (the usual custom).  The records in Swineford go pretty far back, so it might be possible to find a baptismal record for Bridget around 1841 (if the 1901 census record is to be believed).  I'll try checking later today.

Don't be put off by the spelling of McDonagh as McDonough, by the way, since both forms were used interchangeably.  The Irish form of the name is Mac Donnchadha ("son of Donagh").