John Craven and Anne Jane Shaw

Jill,

A timeframe for the family would be very hekpful in addressing your query.

Best wishes, Kieran

RootsIreland lists baptisms for seven children of John and Ann Jane:

Craven William Thomas 1880 Co. Sligo
Craven Eliza 1881 Co. Sligo
Craven Mary Jane 1882 Co. Sligo
Craven Margaret Anne 1884 Co. Sligo
Craven Robert James 1886 Co. Sligo
Craven Samuel George 1888 Co. Sligo
Craven Henry John 1891 Co. Sligo

Jill:

Robert's father was John not John W.

1901 census for the family  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Tobercurry/Tober…; Note the National Archives transcriber incorrectly showed Cravan instead of Craven. I reported the error.

John died in 1905   see last record   https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…

1911 census with Anne  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Tobercurry/Tober…;   Hard ro read but it appears that Anne is indicating seven living children which would mesh with the records Patricia provided.

Roger McDonnell

Dear Kieran, Patricia, and Roger,

Thanks so much for this information and clarification! I had taken the 4 children of the earlier census as all of the children, without thinking that older children could have left already. This makes a lot of sense and clears up some persistent questions.

However, John not being John W. means he's not the son of William Craven and Kitty Morrison, and I lack the information on "Just John." Do the baptism records go back to 1831? If possible, I would like to figure out how these neighboring Craven families in Tobercurry connect.  I am guessing William Craven and John's father were brothers, given how the sons seem to be named after the uncles (is this a tradition?).

Thank you so much for helping me. My grandfather died when I was 6, so I never got to ask him anything about Ireland. It was wonderful to visit Tobercurry a couple years ago and learn more about where he came from.

Many sincere thanks,

Jill

Jill:

Here is the June 5 1879 marriage record for Anne Jane Shaw and John Creaven. 

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_re…

 Father of John was Richard and Ogham was the townland which I believe it sin Kilturra civil parish not far from the Mayo border. The Shaws were from Cloonarara in Achonry civil parish.

Looks like they were members of the Tubbercurry (St. George's) Church of Ireland parish, As far as I can see records start in 1876 for that parish. See this link  https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers…

The naming convention would have the fourth and later sons named after uncles but this was a C of I family and they may not follow the naming conventions that the RC families followed.

Roger

Thanks again Roger. This information has been so helpful. We seem to have a lot of Richards around that time (one who stowed away to Canada, but sired a son before leaving), so it's all so confusing. But this has been a huge help!