Searching for Guidera relatives

US Guideras:

I believe that you are correct that Michael married twice.

Civil registration of deaths started in 1864 and also registration of births and RC marriages also started in 1864. 

The civil marriage record for Michael Guider and Margaret Burke in February 1864 (see second record) shows that Michael was a widower. Likely Catherine died during the birth of John or shortly after but there is no record of her death.

 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11602/8270270ipdf

From the civil birth records I reviewed for some of the children, it appears that the family lived in Kileanna which is likely a place name not a townland. Likely in Templemore civil parish.

The Irish Census site on the National Archives web site has been down for two days so no way to check the 1901 census.

Roger McDonnell

RootsIreland lists 11 children for Michael and Margaret:

1. Civil Birth     Guidera         Mary  1865    Co. Tipperary          
2. Civil Birth     Guidera         Sarah  1866    Co. Tipperary          
3. Civil Birth     Guidera         Daniel            1867    Co. Tipperary          
4. Civil Birth     Guider           Patrick           1869    Co. Tipperary          
5. Civil Birth     Guidera         Johanna         1870    Co. Tipperary          
6. Civil Birth     Guidera         Michael          1872    Co. Tipperary          
7. Civil Birth     Guider           Thomas          1873    Co. Tipperary          
8. Civil Birth     Guider           Edward          1874    Co. Tipperary          
9. Civil Birth     Guidera         Margaret       1876    Co. Tipperary
10. Civil Birth     Guidera         James 1878    Co. Tipperary          
11. Civil Birth     Guidera         Bridget           1880    Co. Tipperary

Thank you for the quick response.  I will review the information you sent over.  I appreciate the thoughtful reply!

Roger and Patricia,

Thank you again for this.  Is the listing of kids and births all attributed to Michael and Margaret?  I noticed that some were Guider and some were Guidera.  It sounds like Michael Guider (Guidera) was a farmer. Thanks for all of this information.

We are also searching for when John Guidera came over to the United States.  He was born in 1859 and came over between 1879-1881.  Again, another mystery for out family.

Thanks,

Bob

Hi, The Guider and Guidera names in the baptismal records...all the children belong to Michael and Margaret.  Variations in spelling are very common in old records. 

Thank you Patricia!  You have been incredibly helpful.  I appreciate it.

Bob:

You may have this 1901 census record from Cullahill which shows Michael and James living with their uncle John.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Bourney_East/Cullahill/1701741/

1911 shows Michael as head of household but uncle John is still living  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Bourney_East/Cullahill/834714/

1895 marriage record for Mary Guidera  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10546/5841806.pdf

1915 marriage record for Bridget Guidera second record  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09804/5559707.pdf

1924 marriage record for Michael Guidera  fourth record  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09166/5315405.pdf

Roger

Last question - I promise...

I see on the marriage record between Michael and Margaret Burke that the father is listed as John Guidera.  We had Michael Guidera as the father of Michael Guidera (although no source). I found a John Guidera who was born around 1798 and died in 1875.  Could this be the father?  Anyway to tie this to our Michael.

It looks like Michael had a brother John and that he had the property and that some of Michael's sons stayed with him (according to the 1901 census and 1911 census).

My specific question is the father of Michael Guidera (spouse Margaret Burke) Michael or John Guidera?  Does that make sense with the naming conventions back then?  I don't know how many siblings Michael and John had, but it looks like Michael is the first son and John the second?  IF John is the father would it normally be the third son is named after the father.  Could Michael's father be the John Guidera that was born in 1798.

Thank you for all your help.  I spent 2 hours last night and kept going in circles.

Bob

Bob:

The 1864 record shows John as the father of Michael and absent any other records, I would assume the father of Michael  was John.

Your list of children in your original note lists John as the oldest son and that matches the name of the father on the marriage record. Naming conventions were not followed in all situations but in your case, it appears to have been followed.

The third son would be named after his father if naming conventions were followed but again the conventions were not always followed.

The 1875 death record shows the informant as John Guidera from Kylanna. No indication of relationship to the John Guidera who died but I think there is enough circumstantial info e.g Kylanna to assume that the John who died was the father of Michael and John.

Roger

Thanks for the help with this post.  I was trying to use the Griffith Valuation to find where the Guider relatives lived and am a little confused.  Would someone be able to help me track where Michael Guidera or his Uncle John Guidera lived and in what location?

The 1850 Griffiths for Co. Tipperary lists John Guider, Patrick Guider and Timothy Guider all living in Ballykelly townland in Bourney civil parish/. Possible location for your family.

Roger

Thanks Roger.  I guess it wouldn't be unusual for Michael Guidera to work on his Uncle's piece of land as he is shown to be with him in the 1901 census assuming that it's the same family.