Hello, hoping someone can help me discover details of great grandfather John Ryan married to Mary Brien (attached is what I think is my great grandmother's death certificate)RYAN_Mary_PGM_death.pdf He was a farmer/shepherd in Annaghcallow (spelled Annacalla on childre's birth records).
I don’t know if great grandparents originated in this area since unable to find birth records for either or definitive marriage record. Their children were:
Bridget b. 22 Nov 1869
Mary b. 14 Mar 1871
Kate b. 24 Nov 1874
Daniel b. 20 Oct 1876
John b. 9 Oct 1878Michael b. 23 Jul 1880
Thomas b. 5 Nov 1883Elizabeth b. 27 Nov 1885
My grandfather Thomas (b. 5 Nov 1883) and his brother Michael were orphans living on street by 1894 when they were both sent to St. Joseph’s Industrial School in Salthill, Galway. There was an uncle in Ohically (name unknown). These details are from the St. Joseph school registration record. My grandfather and his brother Michael emigrated upon release from St. Joseph's (1900 and 1898 respectively). I understand that all eventually emigrated. I wonder what happened to youngest Elizabeth, who would have been 4 years old at time of mother's death, and 7 or 8 when my grandfather was sent to St. Joseph's.
If the attached death cert belongs to great grandmother, then my great grandfather John would have died sometime between 1889 and 1894. Any assistance would be most appreciated.
Thank you! ~Mary Ryan
MRYAN
Sunday 19th Mar 2023, 05:51PMMessage Board Replies
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It is possible your ancestor was alive when his children were found living on the street. He may have been ill and unable to care for them. Or there may have been another reason he was unable to care for them. Or, as you say, he may have died.
Patricia
Sunday 19th Mar 2023, 09:01PM -
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:QP6W-89CJ Birth of Bridget, mother Mary Bryan Ryan.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:FPB9-3MT Birth of Mary Ryan, (14/3/1871) family address is now Laurencetown, Galway. Laurencetown and Annaghcallow are both in the Ballinasloe area.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:FPTF-CY9 Birth of Kate Ryan 24/11/1874
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur… Kate's birth cert. John Ryan is a farmer in Annaghcallow.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur… Daniel's birth cert 20/10/1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur… John's birth 9/10/1878
On 14/3/1889 Mary Ryan died from Typho-pneumonia at age 42 years
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…
Eileen
Sunday 19th Mar 2023, 11:10PM -
This is a bit of guesswork but I found a record of an Elizabeth Ryan age 17 years working as a personal servant to the Leonard family in Athenry, Galway which is about 40km from Ballinasloe on the 1901 census, could this possibly be your Elizabeth as it was common in that time for young girls to work as domestic servants. The house was a substantial dwelling of 22 rooms (Taken from the house and building returns)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Athenry/Athency…
Eileen
Sunday 19th Mar 2023, 11:33PM -
Thank you everyone - I appreciate your help. Any of the above is possible and I guess I will never well and fully know. The only John Ryans I was able to find (I think there were 3 of them between age 40 and 50 within the expected timeframe) all died in a workhouse, but still hard to know if that was him. I also thought that whole families went to the workhouse together. One silver lining is that I briefly knew this grandfather as a child, and despite the deprivation and difficult circumstances that led him to the US, he became a lovely, kind man who met the love of his life and had a family (including my Dad) with her. Thank you all again very much.
MRYAN
Tuesday 21st Mar 2023, 03:32PM