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Hello there,

I Don't know if you can help me... I am trying to find a death and burial record of a relation who was married in Kilquade church 1843, Patrick Cooling and Ann Kavanagh. Patrick was born about 1823, can't find birth record. I have their marrige cert and I have Patrick Cooling on 1901 census as living in Dublin from Co. Wicklow. He died in 1903 and was buried somewhere in wicklow, on his obituary is said burial Newtown. I believe he was buried in wicklow with his wife but I can't find a death record of her. I have visited Kildquade church and cememtery and didn't find out anything. I appreciate any help at all

 

kind regards

Catherine Kelleher

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Catherine, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘︎

Saturday 30th May 2020, 01:33PM

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    Hi again Catherine,

    nothing much else to add to your query - I believe that the death notice (see attached image and transcript below) discussed previously is pretty convincing, and providing it’s accurate shows that your Patrick was buried in Killadreenan Graveyard near the town of NewtownmountKennedy, Co. Wicklow.  

    The mention of ‘Kiladriney’ in the death notice is a spelling variations for the townland of Killadreenan - the place name database (logainm link) Killadreenan - notes the original name for the townland in Irish as 'Wood of the Blackthorn' 'Coill a' draoigheanain', and mentioned a list of alternate spellings in English - Killadrene, Killadreny, Killadrenyn, Killadreeny, Kiladrinan etc.

    The graveyard is quite old, possibly pre-reformation, and also though nominally belonging to the Established Church (Church of Ireland) seems to have been shared by all denominations in the area, e.g. in Brian J. Cantwell’s survey he notes it as being used by Newcastle CofI and Kilquade RC.  Unfortunately the Catholic Parish of KIlquade , like many others, did not keep records of death/burials at this time, and Catholic burials in these the mixed graveyards like Killadreenan would not usually be recorded in the registers, so unless the family could afford a headstone it's likely there would be no additional record of the burial of Patrick here other than the Death Notice and secondary death cert. It might be worth checking in the area to see if anyone might have local knowledge on your Cooling family, or if there's an local Undertaker still trading that might have been in business in the early 1900s.

    Cantwell’s notes several mentions of the surname Cooling in his survey of this Graveyard, although all a bit further back in time - e.g. Bridget Cooling died 1804, Elizabeth Cooling died 1783, Owen died 1755 etc.

    No promising answers regarding a possible baptism of Patrick either - given that his marriage, baptisms of children and burials all took place in the same area, it seems likely he would  have been baptised somewhere in Kilquade Catholic parish, and unfortunately the baptism records only go back to 1826 so not far enough to locate possible matches for your Patrick, if the age reported on the death cert are accurate i.e. 86 in 1903 - so baptised c1817. I've came across this same issue when starting out many years ago with my own family research, when I discovered a branch in the same parish...

    I checked for possible deaths for Ann, but as you have already found, nothing promising in civil records - what’s the last confirmed sighting you have for her ?
    I see baptisms of two children to the couple during the 1840s - were there others after this, could Ann have died before 1864 ?

    Death notice transcript :

    "Coolling - January 29, 1903 at St. Patrick's
    Home, South Circular Road [Dublin], Patrick Coolling,
    aged 85. Funeral leaves St. Patrick['s Home,
    on to-morrow (Sunday), February 1st, at 9
    o'clock, via Newtown to Kiladriney, Co. Wick-
    low. R.I.P."

    src : IrishNewsArchive/Irish Daily Independent 31st January 1903

     

    Shane Wilson, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Thursday 11th Jun 2020, 02:09PM
  • Hello,

    Thanks for the message, have we spoken before or have I missed a message?
    you say hello again which is why I ask, and I can’t see a name.

    I have been to Killadreenan ancient cemetery near Newtown Mount Kennedy, a lot
    of headstones hard to make out as you would imagine, no joy.

    I am working my way through the Coolings in Brian J. Cantwells records.

    On Patrick’s baptism, I have 3 Patrick Coolings and my one is the only one I can’t find a
    birth or baptism record so I can’t find his parents….

    I have a work house record for Patrick in 1898 and he is noted as a Widower, so Ann
    died before then….  strange this is the other children are not mentioned in the obituary
    of Patrick, Edward is the only one mentioned…. I did find a Mary Cooling in the Uk
    and a marriage record with a Patrick Cooling as her father…. not enough proof but a possibility.
    There last child was born in 1854 ( Mary).

    I fear I won’t get to the bottom of this!!!

    Thank you again for the time you have taken.

    Catherine

    Catherine, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘︎

    Friday 12th Jun 2020, 09:55AM
  • Hi, yes we have chatted before, at least I presume we have, based on the subject and first name .. apologies if I'm incorrect on this - as far as I remember on WalkMyPast and Twitter, I use the same nickname on here as I do for both of those shanew147, my 'real' name in Shane Wilson.

    I have gone through Cantwell, and there definitely is a concentration of Coolings in the area, including a number quite a bit older than your Patrick, the difficulty is establishing any link between these and your branch due to the availability of records. Cantwell’s survey is great for finding the old graveyards, and the headstone/memorial he was able to read, but for any graves without a headstone, quite common for ‘ordinary’ people at this time, or after his cut-off of c1880, the survey is not so useful.  One detail that I located in Cantwell’s notes was another variant in spelling that might be worth noting - Coolyng.

    Shane Wilson, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 15th Jun 2020, 03:01PM
  • Ah Shane, yes you have been most helpful you are sick of me and my search..... Yes I have seen the Coolyng spelling, I won't give up. I may come across something if the next census every comes about. Thanks again. Catherine

    Catherine, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘︎

    Tuesday 16th Jun 2020, 07:13AM
  • no problem - Cooling is a uncommon surname I had not come across before, I'll keep an eye out for anything...

    good luck with your research!

     

     

    Shane

    Shane Wilson, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 19th Jun 2020, 05:30PM

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