Collins and Dolan

Hello Sheryl,

Given that Margaret Mary was born so recently, you'd think it would be easy to get hold of her records.  However that is proving difficult.

I searched www.rootsireland.ie for Margaret Colling, father Denis Collins, mother Mary Dolan.  No joy!

However I found a record for a Margaret Collins, father Denis Collins, mother Mary, in Co. Waterford.  I searched the parishes and found this record in Abbeyside which is in Dungarvan, co. Waterford.

I don't know if this is your Margaret or not.

The other site to look at is www.irishgenealogy.ie which deals with the other half of Cork records.

I looked at the records at Ellis Island and found a few possibilities for Margaret.

Have you tried applying for her birth certificate from www.groireland.ie .   How sure are you that her mother'sname was Dolan?

Hope this helps a little,

Anne

Sheryl,

That record I found in Waterford is for year 1893

Anne

Hello Anne!  

I am so excited to hear from you!  I've pretty much deduced that Margaret Mary's birth was December 06, 1898, at least this is what America has for her on file at Social Security car applications. She applied for a card in 1943 some years after her 1922 marriage to Kenneth H. Nutting, my grandfather from Massachusettes.  I believe her father, Denis, or Dennis (signed her marriage certificate as Pat) lived in Maine so I figured she either came into Massechusetts or Maine when she arrived, just a guess at this point.  I can't find her on any of othe ships lists that I have scoured, but I did find some possibilities on Ireland Census in 1911 but not really sure how to link them to her.  One of them has a female child age 12 with her grandmmother and the grandmother's son, doesn't say it is the girls father.  She signed her own name Margarett Mary but I have not found a single thing under that spelling.  I am fairly certain that her mother's name was Mary Dolan as I got that information from her social security application in her own wrighting, but then again, her spelling of her father is Dennis and other documents I have found spell it Denis.  The baptismal record that I got from Ancestry.com listed her baptismal record as having been done in Kanturk but the date is in 1896 and the mother's name was Julia Ryan, I have since decided that could not be her.  I was getting so frustrated at not finding her I guess I just wished and made myself think that was a possibility since I had her birthdate at 1894 rather than 1898 as most records indicate.  

I will check the sights you suggested in your response. I want to thank you again for your response Anne.  It seems to me that many people in her family, family here just don't remember her as she should be remembered.  They were all closer to her husband and so mostly seem to talk about him and not her at all. Of course I don't know them all that well having just met a few of them recently.  I was her son's first born from his first marriage and did not ever get a chance to meet him or Margaret Mary.  I just have a feeling that part of my journey is to find out about her and make sure people remember she was a woman who lived and should be remembered.  I hope to visit Ireland after I find her birth place as even before I knew about her, I always had a real attraction to the place and the people there, I never knew why until I found out about my father and his mother.  

Best Wishes and look forward to hearing from you again sometime.

Sheryl

Sheryl,

This post is perplexing me.  I'm trying to think how you can get something solid.  The fact that Margarets father is called Denis in one record and Pat in another is confusing.  For years in Ireland children were baptised and called after their grandparents, however they didn't always go by that name in life.  the grandparents were honoured because in the church registry the child was named after them, however in practise it could be confusing to have grandfather , father and son all called the same name.  So it was quite acceptable to call the child by a different name.  I'm wondering if this happened to Pat/Denis??

You'll have to search under all names.  I would also take the dates with a big pinch of salt, even though by 1895 children were getting a little education, they still didn't celebrate birthdays and usually didn't have birth certs, or other forms of identification that we take for granted today.

Most people who emigrated were illiterate and undocumented.  They didn't know how to spell their names and hadn't a clue as to what age they were.  At the port of arrival their names were recorded phonetically, their ages were only guessed, and this is the information that followed them for the rest of their lives.

The proof of this occured in 1909 when the old age pension was introduced into ireland.  People had to prove their ages and were forced to go through baptismal records to establish when they were born.  That is why there is such HUGE discrepancies between ages in the 1901 census and the 1911 census of Ireland.  Dates were found to be out by many many years in some cases.

I looked at the census and found a possibility???

1901 Margaret Collins, Curraghalicky, Drinagh. Co Cork.  Father Patrick, Mother Mary??She was four years old here.

Have a look at this when you get the chance.

Anne

Sherl,

Just looked at www.rootsireland.ie and searched for Margaret with father's name Patrick.

I found a baptismal record, Margaret Collins b. 1895 father Patrick Collins, mother Mary.  this record is in the parish of Balleyvourney, Co.Cork

Possibly  worth a look?

Anne