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Having trouble finding birth and marriage records for John and Johanna nee (Ryan) Ryan from Golden Tipperary. Both born in 1854ish according to censes records living at that time in Hoops Lot Golden. My problem is I am unable to progress with out their records, it appears they may have been married between 1885 & 1889 having there first child in 1890 they remained in Golden having their last daughter in 1902 my Grandmother Margaret. I have looked and looked but hit a brick wall. Be very pleased if any one could help me. Thanks Dee

Posh

Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 06:14AM

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    Eileen

    Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 09:32AM
  • Hi Posh,  The eldest child born 1890 what was their name?
    Margot

    Margot

    Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 09:39AM
  • Hello Margot,

    The eldest child was a daughter Mary born in 1889 then a son John born 1890 then Catherine born in 1892 then Johanna and Josephine 1894 cant figure that out no record of them being twins Ellen 1896 then Margaret 1902. 

    Posh

    Posh

    Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 10:03AM
  • Posh and Margot,

     There are birth records for the children Posh mentioned above (no record for Josephine) with coordinating years of birth on RootsIreland (paid subscription). They were all born in Golden, Tipperary. Their father John was a laborer and was the informant for all of the christenings.

    Also, on RootsIreland, there is a death record for John Ryan, laborer. He died in 1919 at the age of 70 in Sergeants Lot, Golden. His wife Johanna Ryan witnessed. I think on the 1901 census John said he was 50. Maybe your John?

    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 11:10AM
  • Posh,

    1911 census Hoops Lot, Golden, Tipperary. I think this is Margaret's family but where are Johanna, Ellen, and Margaret? Are they servants in another household or is this the wrong family?

    Ryan John 55 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic
    Ryan Johanna 55 Female Wife Roman Catholic
    Ryan Mary 21 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
    Ryan John 20 Male Son Roman Catholic
    Ryan Kate 19 Female Daughter Roman Catholic

     

    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 12:08PM
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    Eileen

    Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 03:19PM
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    Eileen

    Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 03:22PM
  • Posh,

    I found the two daughters, Ellen (15) & Josephine (17) in the 1911 census. They are both working as servants in the town land of Ballinlina, Golden, Tipp. Ellen is in the William Walsh household, and Josephine in the Michael O'Connell household. The 1911 census for the Ryan family shows that Johanna had 6 children, and they are all still alive. So, I think that Johanna and Josephine are the same person....as you have only Johanna's 1894 birth record. Perhaps since her mother was also Johanna, she went by Josephine when older. I did not find Margaret (9) in the 1911 census, but she must be somewhere since her mother reported her as living, and she is your grandmother! The only marriage records I could find for couples with the same names are too early (1876 & 1878) to be your ancestors.

    Regards,

     

    Carolyn

    Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 03:22PM
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    Eileen

    Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 03:24PM
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    Eileen

    Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 03:27PM
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    Eileen

    Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 03:31PM
  • Posh,

    The 1901 census shows your family, minus Margaret as she is not born yet, in Hoops Lot, Golden; and there is only a Johanna (7), no Josephine....plus the other four children.

    Regards,

     

    Carolyn

    Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 03:46PM
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    Eileen

    Wednesday 24th Apr 2024, 03:46PM
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