Lambert - Corbett

Hi Guillermo

The closest baptism/birth record of William Lamvert 1817 is a baptism 1816 Galway on www.rootsireland.ie/

However for Mary Corbett 1826 + - 1 year there are 10 matches but none are in Galway

The only marriage record of William Lambert & Mary Corbett is 1779 in Limerick!

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Col

Thanks Col, I've got that Lambert from Galway and some Mary Lambert's born around 1826.

Probably they got married in Argentina. I'll see. Esteban, one of their sons, is the founder of Monte Maiz, a town in the province of Cordoba, Argentina.

I'll try to get more info. Thanks again.

Guillermo

Thanks Col, I've got that Lambert from Galway and some Mary Lambert's born around 1826.

Probably they got married in Argentina. I'll see. Esteban, one of their sons, is the founder of Monte Maiz, a town in the province of Cordoba, Argentina.

I'll try to get more info. Thanks again.

Guillermo

Hi Guillermo

Could any of these passengers be one of yours?

Dates are the dates of arival, Liverpool is where they departed , all their nationalities are down as English, the last section is the name of the ship they came on

Other Irish settlers in Argentina, shows one William Lambert from TAGOAT in County WEXFORD but the birth year does not match

They must have married before 1858 

Thanks,

Yes, there's a William Lambert arrived in Buenos Aires 1844/07/04, this could be the man. Unfortunatelly, I cannot find other data about him.

Probably is the same Guillermo Lambert registered in the Argentinean Census 1869, living in Las Heras. In the same census page, there's 14 years old Catalina Lambert.

Our William Lambert and Mary Corbett, had 4 children: Juan Patricio, Esteban , Catalina  and Maria Elena from 1855 to 1861. 

In census 1869, Maria Cobett, Juan Patricio, Esteban and Maria Elena Lambert are in the same page, but not Guillermo and Catalina. 

Guillermo, do you know when William Lambert died and where ? It is possible that a death registration or cert gives more information about his birth year and maybe even more information

Also  have you read this ?http://www.irishgenealogy.com.ar/genealogia/L/Lambert/William.php

born 1824 County Cork, died 1 Feb 1895

This is interesting I wonder was William one of the 115 passengers and also came from County Wexford, an emigration scheme organised by  Wexford born  merchant James Petitt, all sailed to Liverpool first to board the William Peile there on the 13 April 1844

Their ages seem to match your William too

Have a read , I think we are on to something here

http://books.google.ie/books?id=agfvVQnBu9MC&pg=PA629&lpg=PA629&dq=pass…

When you check the Tithe applotment books you will see a lot of Lamberts in county Wexford, more common there then anywhere else http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie

Thanks,

Our William Lambert probably died in Las Heras, Chascomus or Canuelas. I'm working on that, but it will take time.

Yes, I know that line of Lambert (William Lambert & Mary). Their descendants are living in Saladillo, Buenos Aires Argentina. I'm in contact with them. No relation proved.

James (Santiago) and William (Guillermo), sons of William and Mary, arrived in Buenos Aires around 1863/64 and settled in Saladillo. 

Thanks,

I've read pages 629/30 of "Ireland and the Americas" vol 2. Murphy's descendants are still living in Argentina. I've met one of them, Patricio Murphy, some time ago. There was a cargo vessel with his name.

Murphy settled in Salto and Rojas, province of Buenos Aires. Our Lambert settled in the same province but in Chascomus area, around 300 km South East of Salto. A big distance in those times.

I've took note about the William Lamberts  registered in the Tithe Applotment Books. 

Our William Lambert is probably that one registered as passenger of William Peile's voyage in 1844.

Do you know if there's any other data about the 115 Irish emmigrants who sailed to Liverpool that year? 

Yes, there's many Lambert from Wexford and I have a good chance to be related with them. There's a "The Lambert DNA project" trying to find relations between Lamberts around the world. I'm member and probably a sound relation could be found through that test.

I know that Ireland XO has a Irish DNA roots program now. Probably in the future will be a link between this 2 projects.  

I am trying to find who the 150 people were who traveled on the William Peile, and see can I get more information on William Lambert, I am 80% convinced he was one of them

There's a list of passengers at www.irlandeses.org/peile.htm. The Journeys of William Peile 1843-1851, by Edmundo Murray.

There's a William Lambert in 1844's voyaje, but there's no other data.

No more info about William there or anywhere else, but I am in touch with some Lambert families in Argentina and I will ask around

I will get back to you

Annemarie

Thanks Annemarie,

I still have to search in some archives in Argentina about Esteban Lambert, founder of Monte Ma?z, there's some genealogical data there.

Also, in some point the DNA test will work.

I'll try go to Argentina by the  end of next year.

Guillermo

In Maria Elena Lambert's baptism certificate (1861) there's a Reverend Eleuterio (Eleutherius) Lambert as a witness. He was not present at the moment and replaced for a representative.

Probably he was in Ireland at that time, part of the church and relative of William Lambert, father of Maria Elena..

There's a way to know if Eleuterio (Eleutherius)  Lambert was a priest in Ireland in 1861?

I see a reference to a brother Lambert, Eleutherius (Br.) on a  Flemish website http://abs.lias.be/Query/detail.aspx?ID=343343 

Leuven Belgium Archiving system: it seems to be about the Fransciscan Monks called the Minderbrothers - (minder in Dutch means less but it could also refer to a place name)

The records there date all the way from 1600 to current, will have a read on their site tomorrow and see what I can find out,. good job I speak Dutch :)

Lambert is a pretty common surnane in Belgium and France. Probably because of Saint Lambert of Maastricht. 

Thanks, let see

Yes Lambert is common in Belgium but this article is clearly talking about a  Eleutherius Lambert and that is not common in Belgium, I wonder where the BR stands for behind his name , brother maybe

It is a religious record that mentions him, pity there is no clear date, will look elsewhere

BTW I dont think the 1844 William was our William , wasn;t his son born in Ireland long after this date ?

The first son of William and  Mar?a (Mary?) Corbett, Juan Patricio Lambert, was born in 1855 according the baptism record, left by  Fr. Edward Kavanagh in the church of Nuestra Senora de la Merced de Chascomus.

Same day, February 23, 1856, he baptized other 14 children from Irish immigrants. Kavanagh (d 1880) from the diocese of Ferns, Wexford, emigrated to Argentina after the famine and was working with the Irish settlers in Buenos Aires country side.

The witnesses of Juan Patricio baptism were Eleonora Makinen,probably wrong written and Juan (John) Donelly.

The only William (Guillermo) Lambert in passengers records I could find wat that one from 1844.

Acording the baptism records Willaim Lambert was born circa 1817.

The first son of William and  Mar?a (Mary?) Corbett, Juan Patricio Lambert, was born in 1855 according the baptism record, left by  Fr. Edward Kavanagh in the church of Nuestra Senora de la Merced de Chascomus.

Same day, February 23, 1856, he baptized other 14 children from Irish immigrants. Kavanagh (d 1880) from the diocese of Ferns, Wexford, emigrated to Argentina after the famine and was working with the Irish settlers in Buenos Aires country side.

The witnesses of Juan Patricio baptism were Eleonora Makinen,probably wrong written and Juan (John) Donelly.

The only William (Guillermo) Lambert in passengers records I could find wat that one from 1844.

Acording the baptism records Willaim Lambert was born circa 1817.

my name is john lambert and i am related to the william lambert that left kilrane in 1844 as one of the kilrane boys if i can be of any assistance

john lambert

Hi John, thanks for your interest in my research. As you can see in the previous messages, I considered William Lambert, who emigrated to Argentina aboard the "William Peile" in 1844, as a probable ancestor. I didn't know he was from Kilrane and part of that famous group of youngsters. Please, could you tell me when he was born and any other data about him?

Looks like he married Mary Corbett in Argentina.

Thanks,

Guillermo P. Lambert

Hi Guillermo

i will try and get some information on William for you, my cousin has been working on a family tree i will contact her to see what she has. In the mean time if you want to look up the Irish Census for 1901, Lambert, Wexford, Ballyygillane you will see where William was born with whom I would think is his nephew his living there Patrick aged 52

also if you google the Kilrane Boys you will get some more info on the people who left Kilrane in 1844 while William is not mentioned by name in the famous song he is one of the four from Ballygillane

This may take a little time but Iwill be back to you

regards

John

This may take a

Ok John,

Thanks. I'll check those tips and I'll let you know.

Guillermo

Hi John,

Do you know who were the other 3 boys from Ballygillane? I'll try to find their names in the "William Peile"'s passenger list and links with William Lambert in Argentina.

Thanks,

Guillermo

Hi Gillermo

i was mistaken William is named in the song as are all of the boys who left Kilrane in 1844 and one of the other names from Ballygillane is John Donnelly who you have mentioned earlier as a witness so are we on the right track, I have attached a copy of the song and a full list of all the boys to follow. I will also forward on a copy of a letter  from William's son Stephen/  Esteban in spanish when I get it. He also visited Kilrane in the early 1900s and donated a statute of the Blessed Sacrament to the local church.

Regards

John

Hi Guillermo

See attached some information on the Kilrane Boys part 1

Regards

John

H i Guillermo

second part

Regards

John

Hi John,

Thanks a lot. The data you sent me are poignant.

I'll send you some data about Esteban in Argentina. The papers are in spanish.

I'll travel to Argentina at the end of this year to find out the last links of this chain.

Yes, will be nice to have a copy of the Esteban's letter you have.

Best regards,

Guillermo

Hi John,

Please find attached photo and short history of Esteban Lambert. He is considered the founder of the town of Monte Ma?z, province of Cordoba, Argentina

Second attachment.

Hi John,

I found a very interesting document: Ireland & Latin America: A Cultural History. Can be found at:  www.zora.uzh.ch/45125/1/MURRAY.pdf. 

In his Thesis, Edmundo Murray, publish a set of letters from John Murphy, one of the Kilrane Boys.

The letters are from page 323. The first one is about the 1844 trip to Argentina.

Regards,

Guillermo

Hi Guillermo

yes funny you should mention Murrays artical as my Mother has a copy of his book Becoming Irlandes and I happen to look at it last night as ther is a mention of Philip Lambert on page 170 of the book whom the attached letter from Stephen Lambert is addressed to. Murphys came form the townland of Hayesland there are adjoining farmhouses and my mother was born in one, I am related some way to the Murphys on both on my mother and fathers side.take a look at the letter and we will talk then.

regards

John 

Hi John,

Thanks for the letter is a very appreciated document.

Who is John, mentioned there?

I assume that Patrick is the same found in Irish Census 1901 and 1911.

according The tithe Applotment 1833. Theres's a Stephen Lambert in Ballygelane. Is him William's father?

Regards,

Guillermo

Hi Guillermo

i am attaching a family tree that was done by my cousin,  the Stephen Lambert is William's father born in 1768 the Patrick Lambert the letter is written to Stehpen's cousin and the John is the son of another Stehpen Lambert (Patrick's) brother and my Grandfather. That Stephen  moved to Killilane when he got married where I now live, you can also check the census for Killilane. Hope this all makes sense and it was Philip Lambert mentioned in Murray' book William's brother not Patrick as I mentioned earlier.

On the family tree the date of birth for Stephen seems to be incorrect at 1875 which would make William around 58 yrs when he was born anyway take a look

Regards

John

Hi John,

Thanks for all the family info.

With the new data, I'm going to put all together and I'll send you a draft soon.

By the way, I've found something about Re. Fr Walter Lambert at: papastronsaytext.blogspot.ca

Esteban Lambert died in 1935 in Argentina, La Cumbre, C?rdoba. He was buried in Monte Ma?z, C?rdoba, Argentina.

I'll try to get a picture of his grave.

Regards,

Guillermo

Hi John,

Please find attached a family tree with the Argentinean part of the family up to William's sons. William was translated to Guillermo when he arrived to Argentina.

I'm also putting together an extended version with many references and annexes.

My key subject is to find concrete proof about  Domingo Lambert  relation, because looks like Catalina Lambert was unmarried at that time. Most probably he was in an orphanage. All I have so far, are family memories. 

Regards

Guillermo

Hi Guillermo

Thank you very much for the family tree very moving to see all the names and generations and really lost generations to us here look forward to seeing your extended version. Ihave some other snippets to get for you on Lambert of wexford

Regards

John

Hi John,

As you can see in that part of the family tree, probably only Catalina Lambert had descendsants, but her sons has last name Duarte.Then up to this point the Lambert last name is gone, except for Domingo Lambert, who appeared in scene as born in Buenos Aires, Argentina 1882. Father: Carlos Patricio Lambert and mother: Catalina Isabel Lambert.

I'm working on the extended version.

Regards,

Guillermo

Hi Guillermo

best of luck on it and look forward to seeing it I am attaching a notice that appeared in the local Newspaper 1935 concerning Stephen Lambert, last night I called to see Fran Dolye who lives in the house William was born it , Fran's Mother was Mary Lambert a daughter of Patrick Lambert b1850. Fran had kept the paper all these years.

regards

John

Hi Guillermo

Title and date of the newspaper attached

regards

John

Hi John,

Thanks for the add. That add was most probably paid by the Asociaci?n Cat?lica Irlandesa de Argentina, who executed Esteban Lambert's testament.

I've attached a draft of the William Lambert family history.

I'm working on the relation between Esteban and Domingo Lambert. This is a point of inflection for me, because is the link between the Irish family and my Argentinean Lamberts.

I'll take probably months.

Best regards,

Guillermo

Hi Guillermo

My God you have really done some work absolutely fantastic reading it must have taken so much time to research it all thank you for sharing it,  puts such a different light on what became of William and his descendants I will see if Ican get an old  picture of the house in Ballygillane where William was born but it might take some time

be in touch

regards

John

Hi John,

I've been working on this from 2009. Somebody will send me a picture of the house where Esteban died on April 1935. He donated that house to the local Catholic church.

Regards,

Guillermo

Hi John,

Do you know if somebody else from the family travelled to Argentina in the 19th century, probably between 1880 and 1882 or before?

Thanks,

Guillermo

Hi John,

Hope you are well.

We'll have a family reunion in Argentina, at the end of this year.

I'll try to put together all the family data we have gathered.I even have a copy of Esteban's (Stephen) testament.

Please, let me know if you can send me the picture of William's house in Ballygillane and any other family info you consider good to be added.

Best regards,

Guillermo

Hi Guillermo

apologies for the long absence in contacting you unfortunatley my mother was diagnosed with liver cancer just over two months ago and sadly passed away on the the 18th of this month.

I will get you some photos of the house in Ballygillane as it is today and some older ones if possible. 

Glad to hear you are heading to Argentina at the year end and if you ever decide to come to Ireland I would be delighted to show you around Wexford

It may take a little time to organise the photos

regards

John 

Hi Guillermo

apologies for the long absence in contacting you unfortunatley my mother was diagnosed with liver cancer just over two months ago and sadly passed away on the the 18th of this month.

I will get you some photos of the house in Ballygillane as it is today and some older ones if possible. 

Glad to hear you are heading to Argentina at the year end and if you ever decide to come to Ireland I would be delighted to show you around Wexford

It may take a little time to organise the photos

regards

John 

Hi Guillermo

apologies for the long absence in contacting you unfortunatley my mother was diagnosed with liver cancer just over two months ago and sadly passed away on the the 18th of this month.

I will get you some photos of the house in Ballygillane as it is today and some older ones if possible. 

Glad to hear you are heading to Argentina at the year end and if you ever decide to come to Ireland I would be delighted to show you around Wexford

It may take a little time to organise the photos

regards

John 

Hi John,

We are deeply sorry to hear that your mom passed away. We would have liked to know her.

We are planning to go to Spain next year, with my parents. We are realy eager to visit Wexford and probably we can make a short visit.

Same for you here in Canada, will be a pleasure to be your hosts in Toronto.

Please send me an email at: info@lambertelectrical.ca. I'd like to add you as a member of our on line family tree. There, you and Margaret, can see the Argentinean branch of our extended family.

Best,

Guillermo

Hi,

About Eleuterius Lambert, looks like at that time (mid 19th century) all names were translated to Spanish in Argentina.

William Lambert had a brother called Walter who was a priest. Translated to Spanish in those years, Walter was Gualterio and/or Eleuterio.

Finally our William Lambert was that who sailed on the William Peille in 1844..

Thanks for all your time and good advices.

Guillermo

Hi John,

I'm travelling to Argentina in a week.

If you have some pictures handy, are welcome, if not, please try to give me some data about how to locate William's house in Ballygillane, using Google maps.

Thanks,

Guillermo