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Hi.

Thank you for your message. You could try checking the land records called the Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38) http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp  or the later Griffith's Valuation (1848-64) http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/     or the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS) https://familysearch.org/        

The Tithe Applotment List might be of use to you, or at least interesting for you. These lists constitute the only nationwide survey for the period, and are valuable because the heaviest burden of the tithes to the Established Church, the Church of Ireland, fell on the poorest, for whom few other records survive. The information in the Tithes is quite basic, typically consisting of townland name, landholder's name, area of land and tithes payable. Many Books also record the landlord's name and an assessment of the economic productivity of the land. The tax payable was based on the average price of wheat and oats over the seven years up to 1823, and was levied at a different rate depending on the quality of land. For Parishes where the registers do not begin until after 1850, this information can be useful, as they are often the only surviving early records. They can provide valuable circumstantial evidence, especially where a holding passed from father to son in the period between the Tithe survey and Griffith's Valuation.

Some sites which might be of use to you, if you haven't tried them already, are:

The National Archives of Ireland http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/introduction/

The National Library of Ireland http://www.nli.ie/en/family-history-introduction.aspx

The National Archives UK ? genealogy search: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/

Irish Newspaper Archives: http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/

Australian resources: http://familyhistoryresearch.com.au/resources/index.htm

Remember to post as much information as you can with regard to the people you are researching. The more information you post, the more likely it is that one of our volunteers will be able to advise or assist you. Also include information concerning which sources you may have already used so others may further your search.

Kind regards,                    

Genealogy Support

Hello and Greetings to Genealogy support and everyone else who frequents this board.

I took the advice of Genealogy support and  continued searching. I have recently found some further information about John Keane, but it is very confusing.  Rechecking John Keane and Ellen Morrisey marriage record  - I found that John was listed as  being a Constable under  occupation.

Initially  I found nothing to support this, but a couple of days ago I found letters sent to the Chief Secretarys office Registered papers under finding aid in 1821/2.  There were several petitions from John Keane and either he wrote them or someone wrote them on his behalf ( I do not think he would have been taught to read and write). In the petition of early 1821 it states that John Keane was appointed a special constable of the barony of Owney and Arra, County Tipperary and of the Limerick district  in 1820  and refers to the threat from the 'insurgents' . Further the petition, asks that he be made a public officer with a salary.

Then the following Petition a year or so later:

Petition of John Keane, [late high constable, barony of Owney and Arra in County Tipperary], Newport, County Mayo, to Richard Wellesley, 1st Marquis Wellesley, Lord Lieutenant, Dublin Castle, requesting intervention of Earl Glengall [Richard Butler] and Colonel William Bagwell, MP, to carry out investigation of his handling of county financial affairs: claims to have encountered severe monetary difficulties due to distressed state of barony and other problems with baronial arrears which saw him ‘arrested and put into Confinement’ following Clonmel assizes; alleges he is owed a balance of £94.0.5½ after completion of payment of outstanding debts.

But then  in a  further search, I found this among the Enhanced British Parliamentary papers on Ireland.The law and Practice in respect to the occupation of Land in Ireland minutes of evidence part 2.  (page 608)  ( it is in  PDF form so I  can not copy it directly).   But Mr John  Hogan Keane is called in Augst 1844 as  a witness. In the opening remarks Mr John Hogan Keane says he has knowledge of  the barony of Owney and Arra in County Tipperary and that he is a builder. However that in 1821 he was removed from the post of high constable as there appeared to be an arrear which he later paid off. 

Then there is discussion around  levies/taxes for every 100 acres. The constable is charged with 26076 arces and in John Hogan Keane own words "and still I understand what they collect from the old numbers of acres". He then talked about townlands and the countrybooks.

I have many questions.  But I am mindful, that my ancestor John Keane may have treated the ancestors of people who assist by engaging in this board badly.  It is a odd situation to be in.

My questions include:

• What is a special constable ? Would he have fought directly against others?
• What is a public officer?
• Is a high constable the same as head tax collector ?
• I can not seem to find anything in the papers about the Clonmel assizes, in respect to John Keane being confined at all  or anything about the arrear? Was  he  jailed?
• Can anyone say whether John Keane stole tax money ?
• Why was John Hogan  Keane called to be a witness  20 something years later?
• Is the Hogan a middle name or something else?  I can not find any records other than this court discussion for a John Hogan Keane .   I am curious about a burial record for John Hogan?  Keane now too.

I would be very gratefully for any suggestions about where to find further  information  good or bad about John Hogan? Keane

Thank you for reading my post

Anne30