Margaret and Jane Hynes/Hines

Dear mcgggs@verizon.net

Thanks very much for your query. Could you confirm how you know that your ancestor came from Ballinasloe, did you find this information on the US Census or is it family information?

As you can see from the link below, the Roman Catholic records for Ballinasloe begin in 1820.

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showidrecords&CityCounty=Galway&CityCounty=East%20Galway&parish=Ballinasloe&churchid=324

As this is the case, you could try searching, if you haven?t already www.rootsireland.ie (a subscription site) or www.familysearch.org for a Margaret Hines/Hynes. These sites will include a variant spelling search that will cover all variations of the name. As you say, you may have to consider searching 5 years before and after 1847, considering the difficulties involved in pinning down birth dates at a time when people, in general, couldn?t read or write. It might be reasonable to consider widening this search beyond that 5-year period, just as an exercise in ruling out some search results. Luckily, you have a time period to search around, as well as a place name. Do you know if David and his wife were married in the US or in Ireland/Ballinasloe? Based on the information you have gathered so far, the websites above will be of assistance here too.

I hope your search is successful. Happy St. Patrick?s Day!

Best regards

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support

Ireland Reaching Out

Good Morning...

Well it still is here, morning that is, and your e-mail gave it a fantastic start.

Before I rush to check the sites you suggested I figured I'd answer your questions.

First, as should be true of all great folk tales, I first heard of Ballinasloe from a family member. 

I had been researching my family name, McGoldrick, and had taken the Granard, Longford trail as far back as I think possible so asked my aunt, now in her 80s but full of life, to add some of her memories to fill out the bare facts. Not expecting much, I was more than pleasantly surprised by a seemingly flood of stories. The one that had a lasting impact was of her sitting with her grandmother, Margaret Jane Hines Heavey, and listening to stories of the Ballinasloe fair. I'm not sure if it was the story or how my aunt told it but an image of that little girl and the joy she felt at the fair haunted me and I knew I had to learn more.

Sifting through possibilities and running down mazes that led to many a dead end, I came upon the passenger manifest of the North America for 1863 and there I found Margaret and her daughter Jane Hynes listed. Time frames and ages matched with the folk tale but other than saying Ireland, no additional information is listed for place of origin.

The 1870 U.S. census was my next find. Jane had already married John Heavey by then and Margaret was listed as living with a David and Anne Cooke. All were in Jersey City, just across the river from New York where I've spent my entire life.

Better yet, when I went back to the passenger manifest, listed just above Margaret and Jane were, I'm sure you guessed it, David and Anne Cooke. I found David Cooke and Anne Hines listed in the banns of marriage...in Ballinasloe 1863. 

Then I found this site which has proven to be the best thing that could have happened.

I first heard from a member with a possible Cooke connection...wrong Cooke but, he connected me to another member...this time the right Cooke who is still living in the area around Ballinasloe and has been kind enough to begin looking for living member of the Hines/Hynes family.

And then your helpful email...thank you.

I'll of course never go walking hand in hand to the fair with that little girl of long ago...but I'll never forget her either.

Thanks again,

Bob

Good evening Clare,

Thank you again for your help. I've tried your leads but so far without success...but the search goes on.

HAPPY SPRING!

Good evening Clare,

Thank you again for your help. I've tried your leads but so far without success...but the search goes on.

HAPPY SPRING!

Good Morning Clare,

I'm happy to say that I'm still searching and was wondering if you can help me with the answers to two questions.

Many of the search sites I have used place the Hynes/Hines family christenings in ~~Parish of St. Peter's, Athlone and Drum, Roscommon, Ireland...different County...so i was wondering if St.Peter's is a good match for Ballinasloe?

Creagh and Kilcloony come up often as well...I can find the first but not the second name. I'm still focusing my search on Ballinasloe because of the David Cooke/Anna Hines connection...which leads to the second question. 

What level of importance should I place on the spelling of Hynes/Hines?

Thanks in advance for your help,

Bob 

Afternoon Bob

While it is good to be aware of the spelling issue, many searches online will cater for the variations in spelling. It is a good idea to check/uncheck the little box (if there is one) when searching, so that you are not just going for an exact match of ?Hines?. However, if you are searching documents manually, then you really do have to consider the spelling and in your own mind try to come up with all variants so that you don?t miss something. Now for the confusing bit...

In relation to the place names; bits of Athlone are actually in Co. Roscommon so that?s why that is cropping up. In parish jurisdictional terms, St. Peter?s is the Roman Catholic Parish serving Athlone, whereas the RC Parish of Kilcloony serves the town of Ballinasloe. So I wouldn?t consider St. Peter?s Athlone to cover Ballinasloe. Does that make sense? 

Regards

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support

...me again,

Sorry but I forgot to ask about a Griffith's entry for Margaret Hynes for Harbour Lane...same thing as Harbour Road?

Thanks,

Bob

Maybe, maybe not! I would think they are different. Is there a Harbour Road and a Harbour Lane?  If there isn't a listing for both then they may be one and the same. 

Regards

Clare

Good Morning Clare...

The scent of Spring is in the air here and the robins are back...now if the temp. would only cooperate...sigh.

Thanks as always for your help...I figured the information from Athlone might be too good to be true since there was a lot of it. It seems I'm at the point of drips and drabs as far gaining useful information goes but, a drip or drab here or there is more than enough to keep me searching.

At the risk of making myself a pest...

Should I expect any information from Drum that R.C.,( a member I was introduced to through this site),   might find will fit into the St.Peter's category as being an unlikely match?

Well...I'm off to the records of Kilcloony!

Thanks again,

Bob

Dear Bob

Ask away, that's what we're here for!

I think it's a good idea to check everything you can get your hands on and contact whoever you can. The accuracy of information about our ancestors is never certain, so we should question all the time. Your issue is particularly difficult, as with all cases where you are close to a county border, parish lines can become confusing. Have you been passed to a volunteer and not heard back?

Regards

Clare

Good Morning...

I definitely have been using the 'any information might prove useful' approach and with your advice will continue to do so.

I haven't been passed to a volunteer but that sounds very helpful.

The R.C. I mentioned came from another site member who I met here while looking for a connection between Margaret and Jane and David Cooke/Anna Hynes Cooke married in Ballinasloe in 1863.

R.C. and his son have a dairy farm in your area and he was gracious enough to offer some assistance finding a Hynes/Hines connection after the 'calving' was done...calving! a far cry from anything I do here in Manhattan :). 

Margaret, Jane, David, Anna and their son John came to the U.S. together aboard the North America arriving in 1864. By 1870 Jane (Margaret Jane Hines according to her marriage certificate) had married John Heavey and Margaret was living with David Cooke and Anna Cooke, all in Jersey City.

They all seem to disappear for the 1880 census???...not sure...did they go home?...to Canada?...more madness added to the search.

Though the info is always exciting the best part is meeting helpful people like youself and R.C.

Thanks again...be in touch soon...it's April and the calving should be done!

:) Bob

Good Morning Clare,

Hope all is well...Spring has arrived and spirits here are definitely high after our ridiculous winter. 

I'm still searching :)

I haven't heard from my contact who was going to look for information about the Hines family...alive or deceased...and figured I'd give it a bit of time to contact him again.

You mentioned "being passed to a volunteer", and I was wondering how I could go about making that happen.

Thanks as always for your help.

Bob

Afternoon Bob

A lovely day in Loughrea today.

I will contact another volunteer and move things along for you

Best wishes

Clare

Genalogy Support 

Bob:

Good afternoon. Clare asked me to take a look at your messages and see if I could assist. By the way, I live in Maryland. 

I looked on Roots Ireland www.rootsireland.ie for the 1863 marriage of David Cooke and Anne Hynes. Roots had a marriage in their records.Roots is a pay site if you want to view the actual transcription they made from the church record. However, you can do a lot of manipulation before you pay to narrow down the possibilities. In any event, I went through every Catholic parish to try to find out where the marriage took place and there was no record. I then went through the Church of Ireland parishes and found out that the marriage took place in the Kilcloony Church of Ireland parish. I presume that David was C of I and Anne RC but they married in his church. 

I also started to look for baptismal records and there was an 1843 Margaret Hynes baptismal record with a mother named Margaret.. However, the record was not in the Ballinasloe RC records. I did not go parish by parish to figure out where it occurred. Maybe you can do that when you have time.

Like you, I looked at the 1856 Griffiths. There were three Hynes entries. William, John and Margaret. Odds are the Margaret you found on Harbour Lane is the Margaret who came to America.

You may want to look at the 1824-1826 Tithes listing for Kilcloony. There were 350 entries and on the first page I found an Owen Heynes in a townland outside of Ballinasloe. The Tithes has many misspellings so I would go page by page to see if other names pop up. Any names found would be possible leads.

www.titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie 

Let me know if you have questions.

Roger McDonnell

Thank you Roger. Best of luck with your search Bob

Clare

Genealogy Support 

WOW!...talk about quick service!

Thanks as always for your help Clare. Roger has already contacted me with some info I have but some interesting leads as well.

You guys are the best!

Bob

Good Morning from New York (wishing we were on the Maryland shore),

Thank you for your quick response. The people you meet in Reaching Out are the best!

I have allready looked at some of the leads you mentioned but the C of I piece looks like a great lead. I got back to my aunt and was surprised when she sent me a copy of Margaret Jane Hines and John Heavey's wedding certificate...from St. Matthew's Episcoplal Church in Jersey City. Everything else I've found has an RC connection so I think you have opened a whole new avenue of possibilities. Just in time too as I was reaching the point where I wasn't sure there was much more I would find.

Thanks again and I'll let you know how my search is going. If I can help you in any way please don't hesitate to ask.

Bob

Good Luck Bob, glad the brick wall is surmountable, mostly due to the Roger-affect!

Best wishes from cloudy Loughrea

Clare

Genealogy Support  

Good Morning Clare,

Happy to say I'm still on the search.

The latest update has come from the death certificate for Margaret Jane Hynes/Hines Heavey. It lists her parents as Thomas Hynes and Margaret Seymore...are these common surnames for the area around Ballinasloe?

Happy searching

Bob

Hi Bob

If you look at the link below it will give you a good indication of the spread of the family name in the 19th century:

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm?Surname=Hynes&fuse….

Best wishes
Clare
Genealogy Support

Good Morning

It has been a while since i posted here, the last one being in 2014 and here we are in May of 2016, but I'm still working.

A special hello to Clare Doyle if your still out there!

The recent online posting of the Parish Records opened a door that I might never have even found.

It seems that my G-G Grandmother, Margaret Jane was baptized as Joanna Hynes, Date 10 Dec.1843 though U.S. Census Records consistently say 1847...what's 4 years between relatives :).  

She was baptized in the Parish/District of Clontuskert

Father Thomas Hynes...Mother Margaret Seymour

Sponsors: Walsh, Ulick (? spelling)  and the elusive Anna Hynes

The records list a brother, Patrick, but not Annna, so it seems more likely that they may have been cousins.

The Clontusket site says there are 37 members but if I read it right none online?

So the question is how do I reach the people listed as contacts for the parish?

Trust I'll hear from someone soon,

Bob

Bob:

I replied to your message posted in Clontuskert parish and e-mail the parish liaison. Clare is still hard at work for IRO but the weekend has started in Ireland.

Roger

Hi Bob

Still here, lovely to hear from you!

We hope soon to add a way for you to contact the parish - it's a work in progress. Glad the records on the NLI sit were useful - there seems to be an Anne, Patrick and Joanna born to that couple, an Anne baptised in Rahoon, Galway City:

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634200#page/58/mode/1up

Best wishes

Clare

Genealogy Support

Good Morning,

Finally, we have a sunny one after what seemed like a month of clouds and rain.

Thank again Roger and it's good to hear from you Clare.

I have been working in the Catholic Parish Records and found Anne, Patrick and Joanna. I believe Anne may have been the Anne who married David Cooke and, with David her son John, my Margaret Jane and Margaret Seymour Hynes, came to New York in 1864.

And then there's Joanna. Joanna who when you look at the name in actual entry book reads Jane, 1843.

Since Margaret Jane appears in U.S. Census records/Birth records for her children, etc., as Margaret, Margaret J. and Jane...I'm convinced all entries from the December, 1843 baptism entry to her death cert. in 1909 are for the same person...my great grandmother, Margaret Jane Hynes Heavey...as for the discrepancy in the records for when she was born...I'm thinking , 'What's a few years between a great grandson and his great grandmother?' :)

Now if I could only find out where John Heavey/Hevey/Havey, her husband, came from I'll have the basics on another entire generation.

A question...I'm receiving some of your posts here and some on the Clontuskert site...I had to join/rejoin this site to get your message Clare. Is this The Ballinasloe site?

Thanks again for your help,

Stay Well,

Bob

Hi Bob

In relation to the parish and the joining/unjoining it seems that when we moved to the new website last year some users found they had to rejoin parishes, so that could be the reason.

There is a page here for Ballinalsoe but if you added a post to the Clontuskert you will be notified for any replies on there so you can continue doing that or just post to one or other page, whichever suits you best:

http://www.irelandxo.com/ireland/galway/ballinasloe

Hope all is well with you - lovely and sunny here today (for a change)

Clare

Ireland XO

Thanks Clare...My search, so far, has revealed family members who have lived Longford, Galway, Meath, West Meath, Carlow, Cork, Wales, New York and New Jersey...enough sites and message boards to make me dizzy at times.

I'll go back and check the sites and people that have proven most helpful...like here of course. Enjoy the good weather.

Bob