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In Search Of The Wall Family

I'm in America searching for relatives in Ireland. My father was born here in Chicago, Illinois in 1922. He was orphaned and nener knew his father. It took several years to get an idea about where his father came from, and we don't know where he went.My father passed away 6 years ago.

So what I've uncovered so far is this - My grandfather was Nicholas Wall from Knockisland, Duleek, Meath.

The National Archives Census of Ireland from 1901 lists him their, living with his father John who is widowed (his wife Mary Fitzsimons), sisters Kate, Belinda, Roseanne, and brother John.

The 1911 Census for the household lists his father John, brothers William, John, and sister Rose.

His brother John was a postman.

His brother William married at 47 years of age,  1 Sep 1925, Navan Ireland.

 

That's all I have. Thank you.

Wall

Thursday 8th March 2018, 05:38PM

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  • Wall:

    Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

    I located the civil birth record for Nicholas and a transcription of his baptismal record. The baptismal record has an entry which indicates he married a mary Anne Curley February 20, 1917. Nicholas had the following siblings ( you mentioned all but Henry) William 1877 Catherine 1880 Henry 1882 John Patrick 1884 Belinda Mary 1886 Rose Anne 1887

    I was unable to locate a civil marriage record for the parents or a civil death record for Mary or John. I did find an 1876 church marriage record for a John Wall to a Margaret Fitzsimons which I assume is the correct record based on the date and first child.

    Roger McDonnell

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_return...

    Name:Nicholas WallDate of Birth:18-Jan-1879
    Date of Baptism:19-Jan-1879Address:DuleekParish/District:DULEEKGender:MaleCountyCo. Meath
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:John WallMother:Mary FitzsimonsOccupation:
    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1:John Warren Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2:Anne Meadth 
    Notes:

    MARRIED MARY ANNE CURLEY ON 20TH FEBRUARY 1917

    Date of Marriage:16-Sep-1876
    Parish / District:DULEEK
    County:Co. Meath
    Husband  JohnWall  Address Duleek
    Wife MargaretFitzsimonsAddress:Lankeevan
    Roman Catholic

    Castlemore Roscommon

    Thursday 8th March 2018, 08:16PM
  •  

    Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

    You are in luck as www.tootsireland.ie/ has Nicholas's birth record plus those of his siblings; on two are the names of those they went on to marry which is a rare bonus!

    Name:Nicholas WallDate of Birth:18-Jan-1879
    Date of Baptism:19-Jan-1879Address:DuleekParish/District:DULEEKGender:MaleCountyCo. Meath
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:John WallMother:Mary FitzsimonsOccupation:
    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1:John Warren Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2:Anne Meadth 
    Notes:

    MARRIED MARY ANNE CURLEY ON 20TH FEBRUARY 1917

    Siblings:

    Name:William WallDate of Birth:18-Oct-1877
    Date of Baptism:19-Oct-1877Address:DuleekParish/District:DuleekGender:
    CountyCo. Meath
    Father:John WallMother:Mary Fitzsimons

    Name:Catherine WallDate of Birth:17-Jul-1880
    Date of Baptism:18-Jul-1880Address:DuleekParish/District:DULEEKGender:FemaleCountyCo. Meath
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:John WallMother:Mary Fitzsimons

    Name:Henry WallDate of Birth:18-Apr-1882
    Date of Baptism:19-Apr-1882Address:KnockislandParish/District:DULEEKGender:MaleCountyCo. Meath
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:John WallMother:Mary Fitzsimons

    Name:John Patrick WallDate of Birth:16-Mar-1884
    Date of Baptism:17-Mar-1884Address:KnockislandParish/District:DULEEKGender:MaleCountyCo. Meath
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:John WallMother:Mary Fitzsimons

    Name:Belinda Mary WallDate of Birth:04-Feb-1886
    Date of Baptism:07-Feb-1886Address:DuleekParish/District:DULEEKGender:FemaleCountyCo. Meath
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:John WallMother:Mary Fitzsimons

    Name:Rose Anne WallDate of Birth:18-Dec-1887
    Date of Baptism:22-Dec-1887Address:KnockislandParish/District:DULEEKGender:FemaleCountyCo. Meath
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:John WallMother:Mary Fitzsimons

    MARRIED PATRICK GOGARTY IN DULEEK ON 30TH JUNE 1931

    Unfortunately the parents' marriage record doesn't have their ages or fathers' names on it so you might want to try the censuses again; other earlier sources are Griffiths Valuation and the Tithe Applotments (both free online)

    Date of Marriage:16-Sep-1876
    Parish / District:DULEEK
    County:Co. Meath
    Husband John Wall Duleek Denomination:Roman Catholic
    WifeName:MargaretFitzsimons Lankeevan Roman Catholic

    The earliest Duleek RC Parish record on roots for John Wall (Nicholas's father) is 1858 which would make him 18 when married and assumes he was from Duleek.

    There are 2 possibles for Mary though neither mentions Lankeevan which is her address when married:

    Name:Mary FitzsimonsDate of Birth:20-May-1853
    Date of Baptism:24-May-1853Address:
    Parish/District:DULEEKGender:FemaleCountyCo. Meath
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:James FitzsimonsMother:Mary Brien

    Name:Mary FitzsimonsDate of Birth:24-Nov-1856
    Date of Baptism:26-Nov-1856Address:SodstownParish/District:DULEEKGender:FemaleCountyCo. Meath
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:Michael FitzsimonsMother:Bridget Mooney

    The Irish phone book www.118.ie/ has 18 Walls and 10 Fitzsimons in Meath but I couldn't see sny mention of Duleek

    Col

     

     

    ColCaff

    Thursday 8th March 2018, 08:34PM
  • Thank you for the quick replies and additional information.

    Is there a DNA testing resource that is commonly used in Ireland?

     

    Wall

    Friday 9th March 2018, 12:40PM
  • Wall:

     The Irish are slowing getting into DNA testing. They use the same companies available to Americans, Canadians, etc. Many of my connections back in Mayo and Roscommon have used Ancestry.UK and their data would show up on the Ancestry data base in the States. I have tested with Ancestry and Family Tree and also added my data to Gedmatch www.gedmatch.com

    My one caution with Ancestry is that many people test with Ancestry to find out their ethnicity data based on the Ancestry algorithms. I have three different first cousins in the States who took the test but don't have a family tree. You will find it difficult to find matches with public trees who are very interested in their family tree.

    As an aside, Col (who also commented on your post) and I found out thru DNA testing that we are distant (5th) cousins back to Co. Donegal. Col lives in Australia and I'm in the States.

    Roger

    Castlemore Roscommon

    Friday 9th March 2018, 08:46PM