Sullivan/Doherty Family in Killarney

Dear Nancy

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out and thanks for your query

I have included a link below to Killarney resources online from www.rootsweb.ancestry,com that may be useful to you: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/records.html

You can also find a full list of newspaper archives online at: http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/ and you can have a look at the Ancestry.com website in relation to Irish Barrister?s King?s Inn Admissions 1607-1868: http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.occupations.occupations/1830.1/mb.ashx

Kerry Local Authorities have also added some graveyard records on a website, below: http://www.kerrylaburials.ie/en/SearchBurial.aspx

Best of luck with your search

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support 

from Leonora Mary Pitt, grand daughter of Leonora Scanlan

Hello Nancy,

greeting to my cousins!   I am the great granddaughter of Mary Eva Sullivan / Winsloe/Doherty.  Mary, or Eva as she became known on the stage had a career as a singer and dancer.    I am trying to find out more about the Sullivan's, when they came to England and how exactly Mary met her first husband who is reputed to have been a German cavalry officer...you mention a marriage certificate.   I would be thrilled to see it....

Hello Leonora,

I'm so happy to hear from an O'Sullivan cousin!  (Note that my branch kept the 'O'.)  Would you be willing to communicate via email rather than through the irelandxo site?  If so, please send me an email at netengler@q.com.

Since I posted the message in 2014, I have found Leonora's birth record in the Catholic records at Westminster.  No father is listed and I believe Mary Eva was not married at the time.  

I would be more than happy to share copies of the records that I have found.

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Nancy Tengler

Denver, Colorado

Hello Nancy and Leo, I am your Australian cousin. I haven't done much family history for a while but now have time to pursue my greatest interest and that is to find out who was Eva's partner and the father of Leonore my grandmother?  This topic was obviously very hush  hush but my mother (Leonora also) told us the tale of Eva going to Germany/Austria(?) to study singing and she fell in love returning pregnant. The man's family provided for Leo's birth in Mayfair and schooling  etc nearby and Eva eventually married her cousin. There are other twists to this story such as Eva's liason was  associated with someone of royal blood. The Irish can tell a good tale.  The name Winsloe fits with officers who she may have associted with at that time. Just to add intrique to the situation:

1881 Cunsus –

No apparent entry for Leonora Winsloe or her mother.  However, there is an entry for one George Winsloe, a German army officer, viz.

District: Westminster                                         Sub District: Berwick Street

Parish:              St. James Westminster

Address:           1 King Street, St James Westminster

[Four people lived in this house:]

DURAND, Anthony, Boarder, Widower, 44, Lieut. Col. Active Bombay Staff Corps 10th Regiment Bombay Light Infantry [born:] Guernsey, Channel IslandsSCOVALE, Horace J., Boarder, Single, 35, Barrister [born:] St Peters Pimlico, MiddlesexVON BOTU, Hermann, Boarder, Widower, 40, Chamberlain Private Secretary to H. R. H. The Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz[1] (24) [born:] Mecklenburg, Bopawitz

WINSLOE, George, Boarder, Single, 40, Major Prussian Cavalry & Aid De Camp to The Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (24) [born:] Inverness, Scotland.[2]                                                      Would love to discuss this further with you. I wonder if there would be any school records of who paid the fees????                                                                                                                                             Regards, Luise Ashley (Carr)

Hello Nancy and Leo, I am your Australian cousin. I haven't done much family history for a while but now have time to pursue my greatest interest and that is to find out who was Eva's partner and the father of Leonore my grandmother?  This topic was obviously very hush  hush but my mother (Leonora also) told us the tale of Eva going to Germany/Austria(?) to study singing and she fell in love returning pregnant. The man's family provided for Leo's birth in Mayfair and schooling  etc nearby and Eva eventually married her cousin. There are other twists to this story such as Eva's liason was  associated with someone of royal blood. The Irish can tell a good tale.  The name Winsloe fits with officers who she may have associted with at that time. Just to add intrique to the situation:

1881 Cunsus –

No apparent entry for Leonora Winsloe or her mother.  However, there is an entry for one George Winsloe, a German army officer, viz.

District: Westminster                                         Sub District: Berwick Street

Parish:              St. James Westminster

Address:           1 King Street, St James Westminster

[Four people lived in this house:]

DURAND, Anthony, Boarder, Widower, 44, Lieut. Col. Active Bombay Staff Corps 10th Regiment Bombay Light Infantry [born:] Guernsey, Channel IslandsSCOVALE, Horace J., Boarder, Single, 35, Barrister [born:] St Peters Pimlico, MiddlesexVON BOTU, Hermann, Boarder, Widower, 40, Chamberlain Private Secretary to H. R. H. The Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz[1] (24) [born:] Mecklenburg, Bopawitz

WINSLOE, George, Boarder, Single, 40, Major Prussian Cavalry & Aid De Camp to The Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (24) [born:] Inverness, Scotland.[2]                                                      Would love to discuss this further with you. I wonder if there would be any school records of who paid the fees????                                                                                                                                             Regards, Luise Ashley (Carr)

Hi Luise,

It is very good to hear from you again!  I missed your post in February.  My mom lost her battle with cancer on Feb 7 of this year, just 4 days short of her 92nd birthday.  The year has been a blur.  I have been trying to contact you via the Ancestry message boards and also via an old email address I had for you from several years ago when we first communicated.  I hope you and your family are doing well.  Since we last exchanged news, I have found a couple records for Mary Eva on Ancestry and would be happy to send them to you in case you don't have them yet.  Also, remember the photo from Mary Eva and Daniel Doherty's wedding that you sent me?  The file got corrupted and I am hoping that you would be willing to resend it.

Would you mind sending me an email at netengler@q.com?  

Regards,

Nancy

Hi Nancy and now Louise.

I was delighted to read your posts, and sorry to hear about Nancy"s mother, condolences.

Louise I do have a bit more information about the Von Winsloe side of the family - not enough, still rather a mystery.   A friend who is very good at all this research found all sorts of strange things out and I would be very happy to send you his email to me, there is rather a lot to digest and to copy out.   Please let me have your email.   I did reply to an Ancestry (?) inquiry from you some time ago but maybe you didn't get my response.   We have met, when you came to London in 1969/70 with your parents, at Auntie Peter and Uncle Frank's house in Ealing.   We looked rather alike!   Maybe you don't remember.   I would have b eeb about 22 then.

Nancy found that Eva gave birth to Leonora in the Workhouse in Poland Street, but whether she lived there is another question - I went to see it but it is now a multi-storey car park.   The Church of her baptism is there however, rather lovely, but noone around to ask to see records.   I know that I did uncover a record of Eva, Leonora and Frederick all together in a house in Hannover Square, but I cannot trace this record now, which is maddening.   What is interesting is that in the census of 1891 Leonora, now married to Daniel Scanlan, living in Cheshire, sites as her place of birth as "Hammera Square" this is surely a copperplate typo - and maybe that was where Eva and Leonora were set up.   I was always told that Eva studied in Brussels, which is quite likely as lots of middle class Irish girls were sent to catholic boarding schools there.   Maybe she did some classes in singing.   She definitely had a career after Leonora was born.

Hope this whets your apetite, would love to have an email from you - leonorapitt@hotmail.com hope to hear from you soon.