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I am searching to locate the tonwland of Clondervish in the civil parish of Moylagh in Co. Meath. The townland is mentioned in the 1826 Tithe Applotment books together with " Milltown & Clondervish ". One of my ancestors is listed in the record living in Clondervish but I have not been able to find any mention of it after this record. Did it get absorb or merged with some other townland like Milltown or Moylagh. I would like to find its physical location in todays townlands.

GWDillmann

Tuesday 19th Feb 2019, 03:04PM

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    Not all the locations mentioned on the Tithe records are townlands, and in this case Clondervish seems to be what is sometimes called a population centre or small village. It's shown as "Clondervis" on the c1840 1st Edition OSI maps in the northern part of Milltown townland, Moylagh civil parish - see the attachment below, there's no sign of the village on the later c1890 OSI map. You can view the historic OSI maps showing the area on GeoHive/OSI using this link.

    Shane Wilson, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 19th Feb 2019, 03:22PM
  • Thank you very much. This helps allot and it’s location is right where I had hoped it would be in Milltown but close to border of Sringhall and Baltrasna. This is great. Thx again

     

     

    GWDillmann

    Wednesday 20th Feb 2019, 02:57PM
  • In looking at the reference osi map I noticed there are numbers associated with each of the land plots. Is there an accociated list that goes with these numbers to identify the land tenants? I have only seen the maps from 1856 griffiths valuation lists of this area but my ancestors left Ireland by 1850 so any listing in 1840 should  include them would be great news.

     

     

    GWDillmann

    Wednesday 20th Feb 2019, 03:44PM
  • I think the smaller numbers included on some areas of the 1st Edition OSI maps relate to height references, the larger numbers are the area of each townland. The Griffith Notebooks usually predate the full valuation and might include some details, these were created in preparation for the valuation - the surviving books are indexed on the National Archives website - see Valuation Office books 1824-1856.

    As far as I can see the declaration at the beginning of the Tithe details for Moylagh parish is dated 1st May 1825.

    On the Primary Valuation (Griffith's) the immediate lessor and possible owner of most of Milltown townland, Moylagh is a James W.L. Naper - his estate records might list details of tenants... if they have survived, and assuming he or his family held the land between the Tithe and Valuation records.. Estate records can be very difficult to track down and research... another possible long-shot source might be The Registry of Deeds - most of these relate to landed-gentry people owning land, and long leases, but some smaller properties are included.

     

    Shane Wilson, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 20th Feb 2019, 05:07PM
  • thnaks again. I was aware of the valuation books and have searched them with not much success. I was aware that Naper was primary land owner of Milltown and many of the surrounding town lands. I have found listing of several manuscript files in the national archives for his estate rental records from 1700’s thru 1850’s that I plan to explore later this year when I can visit. What was new to me was these historical maps between first tithe records and 1856 griffiths valuation which  is online. I probably need to further explore these multiple iterations of these maps thru the years. In any case I am thankful for locating Clondervis.

     

    GWDillmann

    Wednesday 20th Feb 2019, 06:25PM

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