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I am seeking Irish relatives of my family from Co. Derry and Co. Antrim; my family name is Mundell, and I know that I have living relatives there still.  I am trying to research connections to those, hopefully still living, come from my family line.  Any help or hints are greatly appreciated.

I can trace my Irish-Canadian family (with documentation) back to William Mundell (b.1787 d. approx 1840) & his wife Susanna (nee GIlmour, b. 1784 d. ?) from Co. Derry.  William was killed by a run-away turf cart; his wife Susanna took their 6 children and followed Wiiliam's brother John Mundell (and his wife Ann (nee Hipson) when they emigrated to Canada some time before 1845. The eldest son of William & Susanna was my 3rd great grandfather Joseph Mundell (b 21 Feb 1807) who I have documentation was born in Derry (see photo of is tombstone in Washburn, Ontario, Canada, attached).  I have documentation from the 1861 Census of Canada that Susanna Mundell (Gilmour) was still alive and living with her eldest daughter Margaret and her husband John Ketchem (who was born in Scotland).  The census shows she was a widow, consistent with the story handed down over the generations.  

I know the family were Protestants as they identify as Presbyterians in the 1861 Cencus of Canada, likely Scots-Irish - but I'm not certain.  It is at this link - Joseph Mundell (and his parents Susanna & William) that I get stuck.  Can anyone help me?

Thank you

Grant Mundell

grantmundell@gmail.com

grantmundell

Friday 31st Oct 2014, 06:29PM

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  • Dear Grant

    Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

    I have passed your query to an Ulster volunteer. I hope she will be in touch soon.

    Best wishes
    Clare Doyle
    Genealogy Support 

    Clare Doyle

    Wednesday 5th Nov 2014, 10:27AM
  • Mundell is not a very common name in Ireland. In the 1901 census there were just 65 people acorss all of Ireland, and nearly all lived in Co Antrim. With the exception of a couple born in Scotland and one in America, nearly all were born in Co Antrim too. And, in effect, all were Presbyterian, so that tells you with some certainty that they are of Ulster Scots origins. Probably settled in Antrim in the 1600s.

    Griffiths Valuation for 1864 only has 8 Mundell households in Ireland. All were in Co. Antrim.

    No Mundells in the 1831 census for Co Derry. which seems to place your family in Co Antrim. There were 11 Gilmour households in Co. Derry in 1831. In Macosquin, Templemore and Faughanvale parishes.

    The problem you face is that William & Susanna?s births and marriage were well before the start of civil registration (1864 for births and 1845 for Presbyterian marriages). So finding them may be rather tricky.  Prior to those dates you need to rely on church records but not all the relevant records have survived. (For example, I notice that several of the families in the 1901 census lived in Randalstown, and I know that none of the 3 Presbyterian churches there has any records earlier than 1845. The churches existed from the 1700s but their early records have been lost for one reason or another).

    If you have no other leads, all I can suggest is that you look at the locations of those families in the 1901 census and then search the relevant Presbyterian church records in those areas. However few are on-line, so you would really need to look them up in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast. I?d say there?s a fair amount of work involved in doing that. (There are quite a lot of Presbyterian churches in Co Antrim).

    Tradition was to marry in the bride?s church, and thereafter she?d attend her husband?s church. So if Susanna came from Co Derry, they may have married there. However if they subsequently lived in Co Antrim, you would expect the children to be baptised there.

    Ancestry has the Belfast Newsletter on-line. You could try searching it for a mention of William?s death or his funeral arrangements.

    PRONI have a record of a William Mundell dying around 1765, and having his will probated that year. He live din the townland of Duneane (parish of Duneane).

    There?s 2 Mundells listed in the current N. Ireland phone book. Both live in Larne. (ukphonebook.com)

    Ahoghill Antrim

    Wednesday 5th Nov 2014, 10:51AM
  • I have a relative Letitia Mundell b. 1801 Antrim, d. 1889 Outagamie, Wisconsin. Believe her father to be John. She married William John Laird (b. 1789 of Ballywalter, Antrim) 1826 in Carnmoney, Antrim.

     

     

    Robyn

    Friday 12th Feb 2016, 06:54PM
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    Thank you Ahoghill Antrim, and hello Robyn.  I apologize for taking so long to reply, I didn't get notification of any replies until now!  Anyway, I appreciate you both responding.  Robyn, I don't have any evidence (yet) of Letitia Mundell b. 1801 Antrim in my current famlily tree - I've traced/documented my ancestors through Canadian census/birth/death records all the way back to their arrival in or around 1842 with my earliest (documented) ancestor beign Joseph Mundell and his wife Mary McAhon.  And before that I hit a wall.  My earliest descendent's tombstone (Joseph and Mary) states he was a native of Co. Derry, and yet Ahoghill Antrim's research makes that questionable, unless of course the lived in Antrim (where his wife Mary is from) up until the famine drove them to Canada (which would explain why the Co. Derry 1831 census doens't list any Mundells).  

    So, other than phone up Irish Mundells, are how do people connect with other Mundells - I'm thinking maybe I need to start with living Mundells and try to trace their lineages back to connect with mine??  I don't know where to go with this, being on the other side of the globe makes it hard to go to Belfast and dig through archives.  Maybe I need to make an extended vacation to Counties Derry and Antrim ??  

     

    I have a photograph of my earliest ancestor's tombstone (Joseph Mundell), located in a cemetary in Washburn, Ontario, Canada, and transcribe the inscription here:

    "Joseph Mundell - A native of Co. Derry, Ireland, Died Feb 21, 1877 aged 70 years (therefore he was born 1807). Also his wife Mary McAhon - a native of Co Antrim, Ireland, Died May 14, 1880, aged 70 years (therefore she was born in 1810)."

     

     

    grantmundell

    Saturday 13th Feb 2016, 05:37PM

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