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I have come across some contradicting info with a distant relative also researching the Mather family and hope somebody can set me straight!!

My Gt Gt Gt Grandmother Mary Ann Holland/Halloran was born in County Clare, Ireland and married a Scottish man called Thomas James Mather before moving to London. According to the census returns their eldest daughter Sarah Maria Mather was born in Clare, Ireland 1850.

On birth certificates (I have 4) of the children born in London, Mary Ann is named as Mary Ann Mather formerly Holland.

However my relative says they may have got the name wrong as the marriage record names Mary Ann Halloran marrying Thomas James Mether in Galway 1849. Having paid to view the document online I noticed that apart from the misspelling of Mather, the Grooms DOB is incorrect by 7 years (I have a record of his birth) and the name of his father also differs. My relative insists this is common and although i appreciate the ages of people are not accurate on census returns I thought on marriage documents they would be correct.

Does anybody have any suggestions where I can go from here. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks

Sharon

 

 

Sharon Davies

Sunday 19th Jan 2014, 05:32PM

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  • Dear Sharon:

    I have read your query, and I think that the best thing to do is to try to prove/disprove it. 

    I had a look through the Tulla parish registers for you as you didn't know where in Clare Mary Ann Holland came from.  There were Hollands in the Killaloe/Ogonnelloe area in Clare.  There were not any Mathers families listed in County Clare in Griffith's Valuation or the Tithe Applotment Books.  The only Mathers family that I found was in County Galway.

    What was Mary Ann Holland's parents names, if you know?  I can take a look at the Ogonnelloe parish register for you to see if there is anything that might come up.  Those records start in 1832, and while she was probably already born, other family members might shed further light.

    I agree that names can be incorrect on marriage certs, birth certs, etc.  In my own experience, I take the info that is given, and then see if it holds up with other information that comes to hand.  The fact that there are 4 birth certs showing her maiden name as Holland is strong evidence that that is in fact the name that was given. 

     

    Let me know if I can be of further help, or if you want me to have a look at Ogonnelloe for you.

    The best of luck.

     

    Kind regards,

    Jane.

    Tulla Clare, IrelandXO Volunteer

    Monday 20th Jan 2014, 08:52PM
  • Hi Jane

    Thanks for your help. Unfortunately I do not know the parents names of Mary Ann Holland and only know the info given in the census returns and worked out DOB 1832 from the death certificate.

    I am obviously naiive when it comes to documents and take the info given as gospel :)  I will have to look at everything again with a more open mind.

    I hope you receive this reply as I have been having trouble posting messages.

    Thanks again

    Sharon 

    Sharon Davies

    Sunday 23rd Feb 2014, 11:59AM
  • Dear Sharon and Jane:

    According to the entries for the six children of T.J. Mather and Mary Ann Halloran who attended the Royal Caledonian Asylum, London, during the 1860s, one entry contains the name "Ballraggen" in Ireland, and, strangely, another marriage date for the Mathers is listed in Kinross. I wonder if the Mathers married in Catholic the first time, and, visiting Kinross for some reason later, married protestant to satisfy his family.  Since TJM's mother relocated to London with her children after death of Blairadam factor Thomas Mather during the 1830s, what reason would the Mathers have for visiting Kinross, howerver.  There's no other documentation Pte. Mather and new wife visited Kinross. He enlisted in Westminster. I need to find my notes with the exact info.

    In 1999, I hired the East Galway Family History Society Co. to research the O'Holorain-Mather marriage, and secretary Angela Canning sent me a nice report of several pages, mostly no luck, but they did find  six baptisms of O'Holorain girls from 1814-1834, listing parents and godparents. She also examined their database of Church of Ireland records that survived the 1822 fire, and found one record. She couldn't find any marriage records under spelling "Mather." I concur with Ed Kenwood, New Orleans, another Mather-Easty descendant, that the Mether-Holland marriage he found is the best candidate so far. The registrars entering the information for the Mather children weren't careful about spellings and accuracy either, judging from what I collected.  I'll be glad to post the EGFHS letter to this link, if you wish.

    johnp1943

    Thursday 27th Mar 2014, 10:26PM

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