Donoghue and Murphy family of Blarney

Dear Tom

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out and thanks for your email.

Blarney is situated in the Civil Parish of Garrycloyne. I attach a link showing where Garrycloyne is and its location in relation to other parishes in the area.

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/civilparish/index.cfm?fuseaction=GetMap&CityCounty=Cork&UserID=

The Church of Ireland records for Garrycloyne are listed as ?lost?. The Roman Catholic parish for Garrycloyne is Blarney and records there start in 1791, though there are missing dates for baptisms between 1792 and 1821 and again in 1826 and for marriages between 1813 and 1821 and again between 1825 and 1826.

As this is the case, you could try searching www.rootsireland,ie (a subscription site) and/or www.familysearch.org for the records of your Donoghue and Murphy ancestors. Unfortunately, they were born prior to civil registration in 1864 so there will be no civil records of their birth. If you are successful in locating a townland name from your search, you could look at Griffith's Valuation. This valuation of land was a property tax survey carried out between 1847 and 1867 and could potentially show what land your ancestors leased during that period.

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

I hope that this will yield some valuable information for you as a starting point. Best of luck and Happy St. Patrick?s Day

Regards

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support

Ireland Reaching Out

Hi Clare,

Thanks for the information.  I did not find a Timothy Donoghue or Timothy Donohoe (a possible varient spelling) listed in Griffiths Valuation in Garrycloyne.  However, there are 2 people with the name of Timothy Donohoe listed in the the neighboring Civil Parish of Whitechurch per the Griffiths Valuation of January 1851.

Cornelius, the son of Timothy Donoghue and Margaret Murphy, married a woman who was born in Whitechurch.   So maybe the my Donoghue family was living there in the 1850s.

Is there a way to learn more about the 2 people named Timothy Donohoe who were listed in Griffiths Valuation? 

Maybe through the Cancelled Land Books (see http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/records/land/val.htm#Property )?

Have you or do you know anyone who has worked with the Cancelled Land Books?

It is my understanding that Whitechurch was also considered to be in the Catholic Parish of Blarney.  Am I correct on that?

-Tom

Dear Tom

Unfortunately, in relation to the Timothy Donoghue men listed in Griffith's, there are limited avenues in relation to finding out more about them, due to the vacuum in records. That is why the system of linking researchers and people in individual parishes is so important. While we don't have anyone working as a liaison in in Blarney, I will attempt to find a volunteer who can help you further. 

The earlier source, the Tithe Applotment Books date between 1823 and 1837 while the next, later source is the 1901 Census. 

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp

The Cancelled Books are very useful but as you can see from the link you posted, the LDS microfilm version are in black and white. The Books themselves need to be seen in their original colour as the 'cancelled' aspect of the Books appears in different colours as tenure passes from one to the other. As this is the case, if you wanted to progress this side of your research, you could contact one of the genealogical companies who could send someone to the Valuation for you. It is time consuming work but very worthwhile.

In relation to Whitechurch, it is a Cavil Parish where the corresponding Roman Catholic Parish is Blarney/Garrycoyle, so yes, you are correct.

Hope you had a nice weekend

Regards

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support

My great-grandmother was Hannah Mulcahy Duggan (b. 1862 in Cork) and who emigrated to New York sometime in the 1880's before she married my great-grandfather John Duggan. Her mother was Honora Donoghue, her father Eugene Mulcahy of Cork. My grandmother told me she was a teacher and Eugene a cobbler who specialized in orthopedic shoes. Is there any chance that your Honora Donoghue of Blarney might be Hannah's mother? She had two other children to my knowledge, Bridget who also emigrated to New York from England and Timothy who eventually settled in Colorado. Any help you might be able to offer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Bob Stambaugh

My great-grandmother was Hannah Mulcahy Duggan (b. 1862 in Cork) and who emigrated to New York sometime in the 1880's before she married my great-grandfather John Duggan. Her mother was Honora Donoghue, her father Eugene Mulcahy of Cork. My grandmother told me she was a teacher and Eugene a cobbler who specialized in orthopedic shoes. Is there any chance that your Honora Donoghue of Blarney might be Hannah's mother? She had two other children to my knowledge, Bridget who also emigrated to New York from England and Timothy who eventually settled in Colorado. Any help you might be able to offer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Bob Stambaugh

Hi Bob,
I haven't checked my messages in a long time and just came across your message this evening.  I suppose there could be a chance that my Honora Donoghue of Blarney could be connected to your family.  However, I know nothing about my Honora other than the information that appears in my original message.  Feel free to contact me at weingartdna@verizon.net if you like.

-Tom Weingart