Greenfield Family's Banbridge

Hi Isabel,

Could you please post your message on the Seapatrick (Banbridge) parish page here: http://www.irelandxo.com/group/seapatrick-down

Do you know what religion he was?

There are Roman Catholic church records for the diocese of Seapatrick (Dromore). These date from 1843 for baptismal records, and 1850 for marriage and burial records. You can find these at the National Library of Ireland, Pos. 5501, or the Public Records of Northern Ireland (PRONI), MIC.1D/26, or the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS), film 0926076. If you have any difficulty, you could try writing to the parish priest for more assistance.

Civil registration records are available from the General Register Office (GRO). These start from 1864 however. You can access the website here: http://www.groireland.ie/research.htm

Have you checked the immigration records in Australia?. Generally, more information was given at the port of arrival rather than the port of departure. The University of Woolongong has produced, on microfiche, a complete index and transcript of all information concerning immigrants of Irish origin recorded on ships' passenger lists between 1848 and 1867. These are useul for finding out an exact place of origin as well as parents' names. The Public Record Office of Victoria has good online databases of settlers at www.prov.vic.gov.au Otherwise, other records may be found in the Colonial Office Papers of the UK National Archives, class reference CO 201. This class contains a wide variety of records, including petitions for assisted passages, emigrants' lists, records of emigrants on board ship, peitions from settlers for financial assistance and much more.

You could also try checking the land records called the Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38) or the later Griffith's Valuation (1848-64). Griffith's is freely available here: www.askaboutireland.com or here: www.failteromhat.com Failte Romhat has lots of other useful links you could try looking at. Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38). Microfilm copies of the books for all of Ireland are available at the National Archives of Ireland (NAI) http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/tithe-applotment-books-and-the-primary-griffith-valuation/ or the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS).

1766: National Library of Ireland (NLI) Ms. 4173. Seaptrick is included in these documents.

1775 Dissenters' petitions. Presbyterians in many places, including Seapatrick. PRONI T/808/14977, NLI Ms. 4173.

1796: Spinning Wheel Premium Entitlement Lists This was part of a government scheme to encourage the linen trade, free spinning wheels or looms were granted to individuals planting a certain area of land with flax. The lists of those entitled to the awards, covering almost 60,000 individuals, were published in 1796, and record only the names of the individuals and the civil parish in which they lived. The majority, were in Ulster, but some names appear from every county except Dublin and Wicklow. A microfiche index to the lists is available in the National Archives, and in PRONI. There are 2,975 names for County Down. You can check this website for the lists: www.failteromhat.com

You can check for information about the frequency of the name in the mid-19th century and any other variant spellings of the name here: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/

There are estate records available. Landlord: Fortescue Chichester: Rental 1817. National Archives of Ireland (NAI), M3610. Includes the parish of Seapatrick. 

Please make sure you link anyone else in your family who is interested in their Irish heritage to our site - and indeed anyone else you know of Irish heritage.

Kind regards,

Sinead Cooney

Genealogist (Ireland XO)

Hi 

My grandmother was born Susan Netta Greenfield in Scarva, co Down, daughter of Thomas born Loughbrickland 1872.  His father was Moses Greenfield.  Some of the names of Harvey's family also appear in this line - Joseph, Mary Ann etc.

Hi Darren

                  Yes i have a feeling that Moses is the brother of Harvey Greenfield born 1798 in Banbridge there was a Moses born 1806 in Banbridge the father was James Greenfield but i can't get any proof of this there is quite a few named Moses down the years and i did notice that most of the family names appered in  Harveys  Greenfield's  line there is also a Thomas Greenfield i think born 1802 maybe also a brother i would love to find out more but it's like searching for a needle in a hay stack  i can't seem to get the dots joined up maybe you would have better luck than me. Your Thomas was the son of Moses & Eliza Jane Conlin born & 7th March 1872 Your Thomas married Nettie Milligan Gilford Church Of Ireland Tullylish Banbridge 6th June 1899. I really wish i could find  out what way the connection runs let me know if you can think of anything.

                                                                                                    Regards Isabel 

Hi Darren

                  Yes i have a feeling that Moses is the brother of Harvey Greenfield born 1798 in Banbridge there was a Moses born 1806 in Banbridge the father was James Greenfield but i can't get any proof of this there is quite a few named Moses down the years and i did notice that most of the family names appered in  Harveys  Greenfield's  line there is also a Thomas Greenfield i think born 1802 maybe also a brother i would love to find out more but it's like searching for a needle in a hay stack  i can't seem to get the dots joined up maybe you would have better luck than me. Your Thomas was the son of Moses & Eliza Jane Conlin born & 7th March 1872 Your Thomas married Nettie Milligan Gilford Church Of Ireland Tullylish Banbridge 6th June 1899. I really wish i could find  out what way the connection runs let me know if you can think of anything.

                                                                                                    Regards Isabel 

Hi Isabel

The case seems rather confused with so many Moses!  Moses birth in 1802 would make him too old to be father to Thomas born in 1870's - perhaps there were two generations of Moses with my direct line gg grandfather Moses being son of James and perhaps nephew to Harvey?  The only photograph I have is of my g grandfather Thomas.  It would be interesting to see a photo of Harvey to compare resemblances.  According to my grandmother the Greenfield family had rather prominent noses!

Best

Darren 

Hi Isabel

I attach a photograph of Thomas Greenfield and Nettie Milligan for your interest.  Having looked at his marriage certificate it appears the ceremony was witnessed by Harvey Greenfield - could this be your Harvey (died 1918)?   I suspect he may have been an uncle...

Best regards

Darren

Hi Darren

                  Just came across your messages i never scrolled to the end of the page so missed them yes that would be my gg Granda Harvey Greenfield born about 1844 died 1918 he married Margaret Jones 28/12/1870 in scarva church of ireland they moved to Belfast for the mill work they are buried in Carmony Cemetery with there son Harvey who died age 25 in in 1913 Banbridge. Harvey 1844 his Father was also Harvey born 1798 died 1875 in Banbridge. I can see the resemblance of Harvey and Thomas the noses are the same my father Joseph had the same nose as did his Father Joseph we called it the Greenfield nose my Mum always said just be thankful you never got the Greenfield nose i have attached 2 photos one of Harvey and Wife Margaret Jones and one of Harvey 

i hope i have done it right if not could you send me your email and i will send them if you can open them let me know what you think they are related for sure i do think Harvey was the uncle of Thomas maybe you can figure it out better than me let me know sorry for taking so long to answer when you went to the trouble of sending me that photo i will keep checking this time 

                                                Regards Isabel

Hi Isabel

Great to hear from you and thank you for the attached images.  I can see a resemblance.  In our family we also talk of the Greenfield nose!  I attach a further image of my Grandmother Susan Netta (right) and her sister Jane Elizabeth.  I can see a likeness in Harvey to my grandmother in the shape of the face, eyes, nose and rather fine bone structure.  As you say it is like searching for a needle in a haystack at times, especially as all the older family members have passed on in my case.  However, given the link to Moses, the fact that a Harvey Greenfield witnessed my GGrandfather´s first wedding it does seem likely that we share a common ancestor 3 or 4 generations back!  

I have been in contact with Alan Sheehan in Canada who is also researching the family.  His GGrandmother was my GGrandfather Thomas´s sister Isabella.

An interesting aside is that my Grandmother often spoke of a Jewish heritage to the Greenfield family which would be interesting to be able to investigate further.  A possible origin may be that some came from Germany, Holland or France with William III´s army in 1690 when they were encamped at Scarva prior to the Battle of the Boyne - however, this is no more than supposition.  

Let´s keep in touch!

Warm regards

Darren

Hi Darren 

                 Thats really interesting i always thought we had a jewish heritage for some reason, we had heard a story about some of the Greenfield's coming from france but like yourself don't know if it's true i have found relations in Australia that are related to Harvey 1798 his first son James G his son Henry Harvey Greenfiled emigrated to Australia  and i have made a great friend Narelle ,Harvey 1798 was also her ggg Grandfather it was Narelle that tole me the story about france she had just started researching Moses she has sent me some dates and stuff about Moses when i get a minute i will copy them and sent them to you loved them photos yes i can see the likeness

keep in touch

regards Isabel

if you get anything futher let me know  

Hi Isabel 

It´s really interesting when you start making connections and various elements of family lore tie up!  Unfortunately I seem to have drawn a blank with Moses father James - I cannot find any further information on him. Moses was born circa 1845, so James must have been born around 1810 / 1820 which would be a good date to connect him with Harvey 1798.  This is where it gets frustrating!!!

Darren

Hi Darren 

             Had a bit of trouble with my mac book this past few week had to leave it in they  said was the os system had to reset lucky i had backup as it came back as new so have been busy putting all my photos and stuff back on lost all my programs so had to download again once i get that all done i must get up to PRONI  soon and see what i can find on Moses Greenfield do you think his father james would be the brother of Harvey ? Moses was a weaver the same as Harvey and then about 1861 it say's he was a farmer. did you get the will for Moses ? let me know if you have found anything else to tie us in 

                                                              Isabel

Hi Isabel

Glad to hear your technological glitches have been resolved - it is a bit of a nightmare when something goes wrong with computers as we rely so much on them and store so much valuable information!

Unfortunately I have never been able to visit PRONI as I have lived in Barcelona for the past 10 years - my mother however does intend to visit one of these days. 

Given lack of solid information my instinct is that your Harvey is my Moses uncle or possibly brother - there is definately a close family connection in that generation given the geographical proximity and shared family names through the generations.  It is frustrating to try to tie these ends up!

Where are you currently located?

Darren

Hi Darren

             I'm still no futher on yet there is a guy on genes reunited i think his wife is related to Moses G they are Scottish  Moses son Henry went to live in Scotland i'll have a look later and give you his name I have a very sick father unlaw and have been looking after him so not had tme to get back to the family tree yet but will in the near future oh it must be lovely living in Barcelona i have been there many times lovely city i live in Greenisland  out near Carrickfergus in Co Antrim as soon as i get time to myself again i will go to proni did you get the will for Moses ? it's on the proni web site.

                                                         Will Speak Soon

I'll have a look at genes reunited and let you know asap 

                                                              Isabel

Hi Darren

             I'm still no futher on yet there is a guy on genes reunited i think his wife is related to Moses G they are Scottish  Moses son Henry went to live in Scotland i'll have a look later and give you his name I have a very sick father unlaw and have been looking after him so not had tme to get back to the family tree yet but will in the near future oh it must be lovely living in Barcelona i have been there many times lovely city i live in Greenisland  out near Carrickfergus in Co Antrim as soon as i get time to myself again i will go to proni did you get the will for Moses ? it's on the proni web site.

                                                         Will Speak Soon

I'll have a look at genes reunited and let you know asap 

                                                              Isabel

Hi Darren

            Been a long tme but i hope your still interested in the family tree , i've just got back to researching family again, i took a trip to PRONI in Belfast and found these records Church Of Ireland Aghaderg Dromore 

Marriage 10th August 1838 Moses Greenfield & Jane White (this is his first wife)

in the presence of James Jones & John McCullough 

Baptism 26th May 1838 James  Greenfield  Father Moses Greenfield Mother Jane White 

(1st witness James White) (2nd witness Robert Hunter) (3rd Witness Sarah Greenfield) Do You Think James White Is Jane's Sister, & Maybe Sarah is Moses Sister)

Baptism 20th April 1842 Mary Greenfield Father Moses Greenfield Mother Jane White.the bottom of page was badly damaged so was not able to read anymore. 

Marriage 26th Feb 1834 John McCullough & Rachael Greenfield 

In The Presence of James Greenfield & John Mooney. do you think thats another sister of Moses 

Marriage 25th May 1835 Thomas Greenfield & Sarah McCullough 

In the Presence of John McCullough & Alexander McCullough.( wonder is Thomas a brother of Moses) 

Marriage  3rd November 1831 Alexander McCullough & Jane Greenfield 

in the presence of James Greenfield & Moses Greenfield. (Is Jane another sister of Moses)

Birth 14th July Baptism 15th July 1835 James McCullough

Father John McCullough Mother Rachael Greenfield

1st Witness Thomas Greenfield 2nd Witness Mary Greenfield

it's all very confusing if you get this can you let me know what you think 

        Regards Isabel 

Hi Isabel, Darren,

I have read your and Darren's posts with great interest. Moses Greenfield was my GG grandfather, Like you i find it difficult to make that connection between Moses's father  James and Harvey. I receintly had DNA tests done for my self and my father. Through this we had a common connection to a Sarah Ann Greenfield born ab 1823 and married to a Robert Lowry. They did have children in Ireland and went to USA. Just in the process of going through that bit of research but it looks like Sarah Ann is likely Moses's sister. I will post the details of the Lowry family soon.

Regards   Alan

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