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Recent discovered that my great grand father, John Kenney, is actually John Keaney,(March 1853) from Sravrannies. Using rootsireland, I was able to verify that the Bernard Kenney (Sept 11, 1849) burried in the Kenney plot in Holy Cross Cemetery, outside Philadelphia, is his brother.  I also determined that their parents were John Keany and Mary Keany, Keany married to a Keany, and there were two older siblings, Rose (June 29, 1843) and Brigid (June 15, 1846).

John and Bernard came to the US, but I have been unable to find anything on Rose and Brigid, as well as their parents John and Mary Keaney.

Can you direct me to additional sources?  Thanks,

John McDonnell

 

 

John

Saturday 14th May 2016, 07:10PM

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  • John,

    The tithe applotment records for 1834 for Sravrannies show 2 Keaney households in the townland. William senior and William jr. (Probably father & son). Wm senior had 11 acres and Wm jr had 15.

    http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp

    Griffiths Valuation for 1857 shows John Keaney and Michael Keaney jointly farming plot 2 (a 17 acre farm) in Sravrannies. Nearby were William & Terence on plot 9, a 24 acre farm. All are likely to be related.

    http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

    You can use the revaluation records to see when these properties changed hands. They are in the Valuation office in Dublin (not on-line yet). That should give you an indication when John senior died.

    In 1901 there were 4 Keaney households in the townland:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Cloonclare/Sravrannies/1474666/

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Cloonclare/Sravrannies/1474667/

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Cloonclare/Sravrannies/1474669/

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Cloonclare/Sravrannies/1474673/

    You could search on Familysearch for the various marriages (post 1864) to see who the fathers were and so hopefully link the families together. The events are likely to have been registered in Manorhamilton which should narrow the search.

    Can't see any information relating to Rose or Brigid.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Saturday 14th May 2016, 08:15PM
  • Thanks, Elwyn !

    Although I have seen some of what you revealed to me, I now see it in a different perspective, especially the Griffith Valuation for Cloonclare.  Did you know that of the 80 names in Cloonclare, 68 are anmed KEANEY.

    Visited the Valuation Office aboout 15 years ago with I began my genealogy search, but on the McDonnell's and Burke's from Kilbride, Ballycastle, Mayo.  I return visit is in order.

    I also searched the 1911 census and found 3 families in Stravrannies, and I will follow-up on those.

    But, still nothing on Rose and Brigid.  I will be in Ireland for 10 in July and plan on getting to Leitrim for a look and search.

    Is it possible to search the Civil Death Records in Dublin?  Perhaps I can find those of John and Mary.

    I have already made contact with a Pat Boland who says she lives near Manorhamilton and is family with the Keany family.

    Blessings on this Feast of Pentecost.

    John

     

     

    John

    Sunday 15th May 2016, 04:34PM
  • John:

    Elwyn has already provided a lot of information on your family. I did find a Rose Keany marriage in Clonnclare in 1869 and a Rose Anne Keany in Cloonclare in 1870. Possibly one of the two is for your Rose. There were quite a few Bridget Keany marriage in Cloonclare. (see Rose records below)

    Roger McDonnell

    Date of Marriage:01-Feb-1869
    Parish / District:CLOONCLARE ROMAN CATHOLIC
    County:Co. Leitrim
    Husband JamesGilgun Wife Rose Keany

    Date of Marriage:29-Sep-1870
    Parish / District:CLOONCLARE ROMAN CATHOLIC
    County:Co. Leitrim
    Husband DennisGallagher
    Wife Rose AnneKeany

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 16th May 2016, 12:06AM
  • John,

    There’s no way of inspecting the actual death records without paying for each one. The indexes are free to view on-line on the Familysearch site but to see the full details you have to order and pay for a photocopy of each certificate you are interested in. (4 euros per cert). Or you can pay to view transcripts on the rootsireland site (subscription required), though they don’t have all of the information on a statutory certificate.

    You can order copies in Dublin and collect them at the end of the day, but it might be just as easy to search on-line now, and order them by post in advance. (They will e-mail them to you). If ordering certs, be sure to order a research copy (which is a photocopy) rather than a certified copy which is on posh paper and costs a lot more.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 16th May 2016, 09:24AM
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    Spent 1 hour at the Valuation Office this morning to trace the land transfer in Stravrannie, Cloonclare,mLeitrim. After John Keaney's death in 1884, the land, 2b, transferred to a Hugh Keaney until 1936 when John Keaney, and McGarrity (?), 1945, then Celia in 1947.   Tomorrow, the General Register's Office for death record of John Keaney (1801-1884), and see what happened to Mary, his wife, and daughters, Rose and Bridget.  Any suggestions how to go about this?

     

     

     

     

     

    John

    Monday 18th Jul 2016, 01:04PM
  • The 1884 death certificate should tell you whether his wife was still alive at that time (ie it’ll say married or widower). Then you’ll know which side of 1884 to search for her death. Search for deaths registered in Manorhamilton.

    I was curious about this Nabby K in the 1901 census. It doesn’t seem a normal name, and the lady would be of an age to have been married to John. Perhaps it’s a nickname for Mary.

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Cloonclare/Sravrannies/1474669/

    For Rose, did you investigate the two marriages that Roger suggested? If not I’d suggest you look at them to see who the fathers were and the townland.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 19th Jul 2016, 08:22AM
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    Elwin,  thanks the response and suggestion.  

    I check the death cert for John Keany in March 1884, age 83, in Stravrannies,  and found that the death was reported by his son, Hugh.  There was no son, Hugh that I found whe used the one-month subscription to roots.ireland to determine John's siblings; only Rose (1843), Brigid (1846) and Bernard (1849).  

    So, I looked at the other death records, June 1884, age 86, Corrawmore, by son Francis;  December 1884, age 79, Lianagraph, son William;  April 1879? Age 72, Mecnkeragh, son Joseph; and November 1883, age 73, Laghties, son John.  

    So, I guess it is John who died on February 17, 1884, age 83, as he is the only one from Stravrannies.  But, what about the son, Hugh, the same one who I discovered who has the 2  acre land in 1886? 

    Next, I gave up looking at the Catholic parish records in NLI for a baptism of a Hugh.  Lack of patience looking at all the pages of   Baptism.

    Will check out the 2 marriages of Rose today, but I'm not optimistic.

    John

     

    John

    Wednesday 20th Jul 2016, 06:00AM
  • No luck at the Genral Register's Office this morning - The father of Rose Keany who married James Gilgun on 1 Feb 1869 is Philip Keany, Cuttentragh, and the father of arose who married Dennis Gallagher on 29 Sept 1870 is Matthew Keaney, Brackagh

     

     

    John

    Wednesday 20th Jul 2016, 08:24AM
  • Checked one more: Rose Keany, age 24,  on 21 Nov 1878 married James Cullen, but the father is Joh Keany. Carramore.  There are 8 more marriages of a Rose Keany from 1884 to 1902, but did not explore these for her age and cost.  Too many Keany's in this area!!

    John

    Wednesday 20th Jul 2016, 08:45AM
  • John,

    Would you have any of the following surnames in your paternal tree: Kenney, Neely, McNulty, McBride, McCarrick, Byrne or Carroll? My family is mostly from the Philadelphia area. The first known Kenney in my line is Andrew Kenney, born around 1831 in Ireland. We don't know the county. Andrew presumably came to the United States during the Famine - roughly 1850's, although he may have arrived earlier. Andrew married Ellen Neely in the mid-1850's and eventually moved to Philadelphia around 1870. The couple lived in the Nicetown area of Philadelphia and went to St. Stephen's Catholic church. Andrew was a Steel Melter by trade.

     

    Jeremyleekenney

    Wednesday 7th Sep 2016, 01:25PM

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