Nevilles of Limerick

I'm also trying to make sense of the Neville families from Askeaton!

My ancestors, James O'Neill and Bridget Neville were married in Askeaton on 21st February 1841 and arrived in Australia in August 1841 on the Ship "Eleanor".

They made their home at Bungonia in NSW.

James' parents were Michael and Hanorah O'Neill (nee O'Connor) and they lived at 85 Muscle Lane, Askeaton.

Bridget was born about 1821 and her parents were Denis and Honor Neville (maiden name not known) and I think they may have lived at Drominoona. 

Looking forward to your reply,

Kindest regards,

Ron

Hi Ron,

James O'Neill and Bridget Neville were my great, great grandparents. I am descended through their son, Thomas O'Neill (1852-1919) m Elizabeth Hopkins, their son Joseph Urban O'Neill (1895-1971) m Elizabeth Condon, their son (my father) Kevin Thomas O'Neill (1926-2004). I, too, am searching for any information in Ireland and Australia and would be happy to exchange anything of interest.

kind regards

Robyn

Hi cousin Robyn,

Thanks for making contact.  Would love to exchange info., with you.  I am currently using Ancestry.com.au and fr., John's  research of our family was my starting piont.  I also found David's thesis on bungonia valuable.  Will endeavour to contact you through Ancestry as I think I have seen your research on that site.

kind regards,

Ron

Hi Ron,

As you can see I am rather confused about these various Neville families from Askeaton.- there are just so many of them.Can't fit your Honor into any family that I have, but that is not to say that there was no connection.If she was from Drominoona she must be related to them.

It is generally accepted that the Nevilles from Drom. went there from Foynes area over 200 years ago. Around Foynes the family had had land for generations but lost it during Elizabethan times. Some from Drom.then went to Cork and obviously others to neighbouring townlands.

For some time the Nevilles were the keepers of Mias Phadraig,  a sacred church cup left by St Pat at Patrick's Well at Knockpatrick.  Apparently , a female Neville became hard up and about 1785 pledged the cup to a Mr Roche of Limerick who supposedly took it to Paris, and it was never to be heard of again. Our family say that is the reason that they left Foynes and settled in Drominoona.

The info that I have is that there were 3 men & 3 women who came from Foynes, but I don't know  their names. Our Pat came from one of those. We are not sure who his parents were, but tend to think that his father was probably a Denis. In Tithe Applotment Books Denis Neville paid a tithe of 10/- for 6 + acres  in Drominoona as did a widow Neville.

In Griffith Valuation, Patrick & Denis were still in Drominoona. Incidently, that farm is still in Neville family. In Griff Val there is a James N in Milltown,John N in Ballyvaddock, Michael in Ballyaglish and Mortimer Milltown. Don't know who Mortimer is, but the others are brothers of  Pat. I guess it is possible that your Bridget was a sister, although info i have is that their sisters were Margaret m McKnight, Ina m  James Donoghue and a Mary.

 The other Neville families I have are connected somehow, goodness only knows how. The convict Daniel was b c 1790 . If, as we have concluded, that  Jeremiah, father of Pat b 1819 arr Glenswilly was brother of Dan & John, that would make their patents Patrick Neville and Margaret Byrne.

That opens up the possibility of this Pat being a brother of Denis- hope you can follow this,

 There are a number of other Neviiles from Limerick who came here,  free and convicts. Many also went to USA.Doubt we will ever work them out. Sorry that I can't be of any more help.

Jan

Drominuna is not in Askeaton Parish, it is Ballysteen/Iverus Parish, 

 add Ballysteen/Iverus to your Parish list on Ireland xo & also Post on that board,

also add the Parish's of Ballysteen/Iverus, Kilcornan, Shanagolden & Robertstown.

the two villages Are know as Askeaton & Ballysteen parish(s), roman catholic (RC)

the baptismal, Marriage & death records are recordes are recorded & are in Askeaton Parish (RC).

Shanagolden , Robertstown & Foynes Parish(s), the records of the 3 parish(s) are in Shanagolden,

Foynes is relatively new Village that is why it is not on ireland Reaching Out.

Look up Shanagolden List of sources,

look up Shanagolden parish townlands.

there is a book,

the ranahans of Iverus,

Author John P M feheeny

there are 28 seperate family trees

in that book & 4 seperate Neville families,

of Drominuna & drominyculhane.

that book can be bought on Line.

Foynes grew around the port of Foynes, with cargo

ships from all over the world coming to Foynes.

Look up Foynes Flying Boat Museum on utube.

Look up, Cecily Neville history 

contact me at,

tamerkine589@yahoo.ie

john.

There is a great book I have been reading through - "One Patrick Too Many" The History of the Neville, Balgowan, Hanrahan and Houghton Families in Australia by Evelyn Keen 2008. It is printed here in Australia but available on google.

http://books.google.com.au/books/about/One_Patrick_Too_Many.html?id=UpT…

Most of the detail in Nevilles of Limerick (janbal) is there but just needs tightening up. I am a Neville descendent and only just looking at family tree now. I come through line of Patrick Neville Snr b. ? 1756 - Patrick Neville (son born c. 1809 Askeaton) - William James Neville b 1872 - Clarence Patrick Neville b. 1910 - William Clarence Neville b 1935.

Patrick Snr had sons Jeremiah, Daniel, John, Thomas and Patrick according to the researcher who travelled the parishes in Ireland.

The Patrick in No 2 is Jeremiah's son Patrick  and his sister Mary. Came from Newbridge, Rathkeale but in Australia lived at a property called "Alta Villa" at Hovell's Creek near Cowra in NSW also named after the property in Newbridge.

Whilst the book is great for what happened to the family tree in Australia, it doesn't deal much with the early history in Ireland (understandably). I was wondering if anbody had any information on the ancestry of Patrick Neville Senior born circa 1756 in County Limerick and married to Margaret Burns/Byrnes. They lived in Rathkeale but did not follow their children out to Australia. I will try looking up some of the Parish records mentioned in the posts above.

Cheers,

Lisa

Hi all,

I am researching my Neville branch that reportedly came from the Limerick area. They emigrated to Ottawa, Canada. A researcher in Ottawa recently found a headstone that indicated Parish Recail, County Limerick as the origins of Bridget Combet Neville, widow of Thomas Neville. I am not certain, in fact, I'm somewhat doubtful that this is 'my' Bridget and Thomas Neville but thought I'd post the photo of the headstone for others.  (FYI - I"m researching a Thomas Neville who married a Bridget Conroy. I haven't found Thomas' grave or death information but Bridget definitely lived in Ottawa.) Perhaps this is where some of your Limerick Nevilles ended up.

Kathleen Foley

Northfield, MN USA

I'm related to Denis Neville b1845 in Shanagolden, Limerick, Ireland. He married an Elizabeth Curren (Kerry County Ireland) and they and their 7 sons immigrated to Canada.

Children are:

John (no known brith/death date but we do have him in some old family photos)

Micheal (b.1864? Shanagolden)

Dennis (b.1868 Shanagolden)

James Stephen (b. 1869 Shanagolden) m. Catherine S. Houghton (b 1871?)

**Patrick Joseph (b 1871 Shanagolden) m Ellen McGinnis (b 1882 Collingwood, Ontario Canada)**

Jeramiah Joseph (b.1875 Shanagolden)

Thomas (b.1876 Collingwood, Ontario, Canada)

Patrick and Ellen are my great-grandparents. My great-grandfather Denis had two sisters but I cannot remember any mention of brothers. Also cannot remember the name of the sisters :(

Denis Airey Married Margaret Neville,

do you have airey ancestry,

they are from Askeaton/ Ballysteen.

regards

John

Hi!

I posted a message (see above) about 2 years ago (May 6, 2014). Recently I received my DNA results and have a connection to a Ranahan. I suspect it may be through Denis Neville who married Catherine McNamara (1844-1876). Catherine was the daughter of Thomas McNamara and Ellen Ranahan.  I came across a marriage record from Askeaton parish in 1874 saying Catherine was from Drominyculhane when she married Denis Neville.

In a message above, someone referenced the Feheeny book called "The Ranahans of Iverus". I seem to remember a kind Ireland XO member who was able to send me the pertinent pages of this book that connected my Thomas Neville/Bridget Conroy to the Ranahans. Unfortunately, I cannot find this information and don't see a free/librar source for the book.

Any suggestions, especially since DNA seems to confirm my connection to the Ranahans?  This is one of my maternal lines that I would LOVE to trace back to the specific location in Ireland.

Thanks much to all you wonderful Ireland XO members!

Kathleen Clarkin Foley

Hi Kathleen.

The Nevilles came from Knockpatrick at the back of foynes Village, The Knockpatrick Cemetery Records are in book format in Foynes Library, they can not be accessed on line as of yet, maybe those records might be digitised & put on line some day.

John

Hello,

I descend from Mary Neville/Nevel and James O'Hare both born in Ireland - counties unknown. They are first found in Liberty Hendricks Indiana USA in 1850 with Jeremaih Nevel age 32,  Johanna Nevel age 30, Betsy Nevel age 45, Thomas Nevel age 23, Ellen Nevel age 20, Daniel Nevel age 2 and Jeremiah Nevel age 1. All of the men are listed as Irish Immigrant railroad laborers. Other families with then are Hayes &  Dowds - also Irish immigrants around the same ages.

James,  Mary and sons Patrick and Thomas moved to Allamakee County Iowa by 1860 - Elizabeth "Besty" Nevel also came to Iowa with them. Lots of orphans in this family line. They named their other sons Jeremiah, John, & James and named their daughters Ellen, Mary, Johanna and Elizabeth. 

Mary went by Neville and Nevel in records. It sounds like my family may tie in with the Limerick  family Nevels if first names are an indicator.

Thank you for your time.

Tammy in Iowa USA

Good day everyone, my name is Luke Neville living in NSW, Australia. I have traced my family tree back to Daniel Neville b 1790 d 1840. His Father was Patrick Neville I believe born 1760 and lived in Askeaton. This is where my family tree ends, I was wondering if anyone had anymore details about Patrick Neville such as his parents or where I may be able to find anymore details on him.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Hello Luke, Your Daniel Neville is obviously the same as the one in my Nevile families. Over the years many prople have tried to discover more about Patrick Neville but the lack of any Irish records for that period make it impossible to find any further information. If you look back at the posts on this site you will see what I have re the Nevilles. Evelyn Keen's book." One Patick Too Many" vives much info re Australian nevilles but not much re Ireland. Jan Balgowan

I am researching this family as well. 

1. Patrick Neville - Margaret Byrne

2. Daniel Neville - Johanna King

3. John James Hanrahan - Johanna Neville

4. ? - Mary May Hanrahan* 

5. William John Tierney - Catherine Jane Hanrahan**

I have been adding as much information as I can discover to the Family Search website. I have only just recently worked out the relationship between Catherine Jane Hanrahan and the Neville Family. You will find her profile at:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LB2D-QSB 

* Mary May Hanrahan had a child, Catherine Jane, to an unknown man in 1872. Catherine Jane was called Catherine Gemmel when she married Alfred H. Johnson. This was clearly a name she took from Hugh Gemmel when her mother married him in 1887.

** Cathering was known as Mrs Johnson when she married my Great Grand Father, William John Tierney in 1906. 

Thanks for that Information. I did have Catherine Jane birth but no father, Will check out your tree on Family Search.Did you want more information on the Nevilles?  Guess you have worked out the Neville connection is through Johanna Neville, daughter of Daniel Neville and Johanna King.

Sorry about the late reply.

Yes, if you have more information on the parents of Patrick Neville or Margaret Byrne. That would be fabulous. 

Sorry, but I don't have any more info re parents of Patrick Neville and Margaret Byrne.  Think we have all come to a brick wall with them due to lack of Irish records. Over the years various of us researching the Nevilles, came to the conclusion that John, Thomas , Daniel and Jeremiah were brothers.

We did this from the various records that we had, particularly the shipping records. But also other things -- Daniel's family was probably on John's property at Milburn Creek 1841 census. Patrick, son of Jeremiah, who married Mary Sarah Hammond, referred to his Uncle John, which would make his father Jeremiah a brother of John and Daniel . When John disappeared, his brother Patrick issued a reward and had some strange story about  a vision he had. We could be wrong, but it seems quite probable.  BUT  

Assume that you have Daniel and Johanna's family .I do now have some reservations about his brothers. We assumed that the brother Patrick who had the vision re John, was the one married to Mary Shanahan. But I have a piece from an Irish Nespaper that says the when Daniel was sentenced, his younger brother had just been transported -assume John- and that his older brother Patrick had been hanged for the murder of Major Gowing. But guess it is possible that this Patrick culd have used Patrick instead of his real name..

Hope that I haven't completely confused you.

The Pat mar Mary Shanahan,  - have not been abe to find when he came out, and the info on his DC is rather confusing. Nor have I found any info on Daniel's son Patrick, other then his arriving on the Blenheim 1834. Was the son actually Dan's brother?? But how do we account for the namePatrick, if Dan's brother patrick was hanged.

Sorry everyone, so in my last post I said that I was a decendent of Daniel Neville b1790. He was the grandfather of Daniel Barnard Neville who I thought I was related to. Turns out the Danile Neville I am related to was born in Limerick in 1833. He was a coachmaker and was Married to Anne Kelly. I have found afew documents online about him but little information on him. He was married in Spring Vale or Carcoar and lived around the same area as the other Daniel and Patrick Nevilles previously mentioned, however I have no idea how he fits into the Neville family. He had one child named Henry Neville, If anyone has anymore information on this Daniel Neville it would be greatly appreciated

Many thanks

Sorry that I can be of no help re your Daniel.

I have often wondered where this Daniel Neville fits in with all the other Nevilles from Limerick and have never come to any conclusion. But I do know that Spring Vale was  Edmund Markham's property, which was near the junction of the Lachlan River and Milburn Creek, not far from John Neville's on Milburn Creek. Catherine, a witness to Daniel's marriage, was Edmund's eldest daughter. Edmund was transported as a convict,on the "Mangles", the same ship as John Neville of Milburn Creek and Bathurst. Both were from the Rathkeale/ Askeaton area in Limerick.

Don't know when your Daniel died, but his wife Ann remarried William Artery in 1874, so Daniel must have died before then. It is all still a mystery. 

janbal

Good afternoon Janbal

Wondering if you have any links or where you got your information on this Daniel Neville. I have found some on ancestry that I would be happy to share with you, sadly no breakthough though yet on where this Daniel Neville fits into the family tree

Many thanks

Luke Neville

Hi Luke,

I obtained  some information from Frank Murray, years ago, but not sure how I got it. Think he was really interested in the Markhams. I do have Daniel Neville and Ann Kelly's MC and Henry's BC & DC. Over the years lots of peope have looked at the various Neville families and in the process we also found much info re the Markhams. I would have found the Artery info on Ancestry.

Interestingly, Daniel and Anne lived at Hovell's Creek and Henry born there, which is also where Patrick Neville mar Mary Sarah Hammond lived. I feel that your Daniel is somehow connected with my Nevilles,but no idea how.

If you would like copies of any of the certificates that I have, let me know and send me your email address.

Jan 

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Hi Jan

I recently got in contact with Frank and he sent me some good stuff but unfortunatly nothing that uncovers his identity. I dont have Henrys DC so that would be great to have a copy of.

Yeah so many of the Neville's are from this area, I find it almost impossible that he wouldnt be related to them.

My email address is luke_neville@live.com.au

Many thanks

Luke Neville

Hello Jan and Neville Clan!

You can add me to the list of descendents pounding their head against a brick wall with this mob! 

I'm a direct descendent of Daniel (1790-1840).  One strand of information that has caught my eye is the connection with the Byrne family.  Perhaps it's another way in?  It seems likely that Margaret Byrne was Daniel's (and John's and Patricks's) mother.  When Daniel arrived in New South Wales, Daniel was initially assigned to William Byrne of West Bargo (District of Airds) -- this, according to the 1828 NSW Census. 

William Byrne (1807-1838), born in the colony, was the son of Michael Byrne (d.1826) who was shipped out on the Minerva in 1800 for some form of political mischief -- probably his connection with the United Irishmen.  Ann 'Nanno' Byrne was the daughter of Hugh 'Vesty' Byrne (Burn), a lietenenant of Michael Dwyer in the 1798 Rebellion.  And now, get this: Nanno Byrne married William Byrne (Daniel Neville's assigned master) in 1826!  It's all a fascinating mix of political rebellion and illicit alcohol.

Bringing it back to the Nevilles, I'm wondering if any connection might be found between Margaret Byrne and Michael Byrne (perhaps siblings?) -- it'd be one hell of a coincidence if they weren't related in some way!

I too have been in touch with Frank Murray but I'm really curious to see the Neville-related pages in The Ranahans of Iverus by John Feheney you mention, Jan.  I also haven't had a chance to look in Evelyn Keen's book (I live in Germany).  If you've got access to those Neville pages, I'd love to somehow get a look.  I'll be out in Australia next month...

Andrew

englisch.hohenbergschule@gmail.com

Hi Andrew, I have not been doing too much family history on the Nevilles lately, so not really up to date with these families. They are also my late husband's families,not mine. 

I don't have the pages from the Ranahan book but I do a have a  copy of Evelyn's book. There are pages and  pages on the Nevilles .There are also some on various Byrne families,with  which I am not really familiar . I had realised that there were various Byrne people connected to the Nevilles but never followed that up.

As I recall, the names Patrick Neville and Margaret Byrne being the parents of the Daniel, John, Thos Neville originally came from the DC for Patrick d April 1882. The informant was his niece Johanna Hanrahan dau of Daniel. My earlier messages tried to explain how/why  it was decided that Dan, John, Pat and Thomas were brothers.

Pehaps you could contact me when you are back in Aust

jbalgowan@bigpond.com 

Jan