Ireland incoming passenger lists after independence

First of all.............ships.  Always says where it leaves from.
The drop off and pick up on the journey. (Check the journey of the Titanic)
Eg.   it may say Glasgow, but the person searching knows that the passenger boarded in Cork.
That's because it went from Glasgow to maybe Arcklow....Watreford anywhere then down to Cork and then on it merry way to the USA.
So your ship would be USA to Liverpool but he could have left the ship in Cork.
It doesn't state every stop.
Anyway, I have you record for Michael coming to UK, Liverpool and Ireland.   It was in 1919.
I cannot see his return record, I can see him on the list, I am not on AncestryWorldwide.
You will have to email me please    marg2ade@yahoo.co.uk
Thanks
Margot

Thanks for your response Margot.

I'll try to gather what I have and send you an email.  I believe I might have the record from 1919.  I have access only to Ancestry UK & Ireland so that may also explain why I haven't been able to find his Montana naturalisation record as I think these records are only available on US Ancestry (or Worldwide).

I've found quite a few records relating to Micheal Barry on FamilySearch, including his death record and the census records, which were quite useful.  It's also quite satisfying looking for a religious because they seem to stand out quite easily in searches, as opposed to all my Ryan relations with similar family names and no particular profession other than farming.

I will get back to you as soon as I can.

Thanks and all the best,

Patrick

Patrick,

Info from Ancestry. I will search ship manifests

Regard- Mary

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Patrick,

I assume this is your family in Ballinvreena, Glenbrohane. My Fogarty and Kinkead family lived there. My Fogarty Family also lived in Glenlara which is next to Ballinvreena and noted on Michael's naturalization papers.

Barry Occupants House No. 3 | Ballinvreena (Glenbrohane) | Our Irish Heritage

Regards- Mary

Patrick,

Per the 1910 and 1920 censuses, Michael came to America in 1900. (Ancestry)

Regards- Mary

Patrick,

From Ancestry

Patrick,

What US records are you looking for? I have a worldwide Ancestry subscription that I can look at if you'd like. You can see his Find A Grave record....he is buried in St. Patrick's cemetery in Butte, Mt. There are other records such as his death record at age 52. Let me know if I can be of more assistance.

Coincidentally, my great grandparents attended Immaculate Conception parish in Butte, Mt; but about 10 years prior to him being there.

Regards,

Carolyn and Patrick,

I have found the ship records for Father Michael Barry's trips back to Ireland in 1910, 1914, and 1919 on Ancestry. I have not found his 1925 trip to Ireland nor his 1900 trip to America. 

Regards- Mary

Patrick,

Have you checked the Ellis Island passenger lists. It might show his return trip to America.

Passenger Search - The Statue of Liberty & Ellis Island

Mary

Thanks for the additional information.

I have his obituary details from the Limerick Leader in 1927 and I've seen the details of his grave on Find A Grave (I think that's where I saw the newspaper clipping from Butte), and I've found his death certificate from Family Search.  What I've been trying to pinpoint is his arrival in the US in 1900 as census records suggest he arrived at that time, although saying that, he wouldn't be the first person to an incorrect year for arrival in the US (I've seen two or three different years stated by some other relations in census records).  I found an entry for him in the passenger search for Ellis Island but I think it was the same as the 1919 arrival in New York that I had already found on Family Search.  I also have his arrival in the US in 1914 (Family Search) and his return to Ireland in 1914 and 1919 (Ancestry.co.uk).  Curiously, I've also found a record for a brief trip from Seattle to Victoria in British Columbia in 1906.

@MaryTV, thanks for finding the naturalisation record, could you possibly attach a .jpg or .pdf of this document to the forum?  Regarding the Barry family from the census, yes they're my ancestors.  There are so many small townlands between Kilfinane, Kilmallock and Emly but my maternal family are all from around that area; Martinstown, Darranstown, Glenlara (Glenlary), Bulgaden, Ardpatrick, Ballinvreena, Grange, Kilmurry.  The Edmond Barry and Mary née O'Dea were my great-great-grandparents, their daughter Mary married Michael Leahy of Balline, Bulgaden and they were the parents of my maternal grandfather John Leahy.  Strangely, the Michael Leahy who I've been researching adopted his mother's maiden name as a second name, so he appears in many records as Michael O'D (or O'Dea) Barry.  He seems to be the only one that did this, perhaps it was to differentiate himself from another Michael Barry!

@Carolyn, thank you for the offer.  I'm really looking for some records of his arrival in the US in 1900 and perhaps his return following a trip back to Ireland in 1925, plus his naturalisation in Butte, Montana.  I have had some access to newspaper archives for Ireland but as multiple subscriptions get quite expensive I haven't ventured to explore any US news archives, so it would be interesting to see if there was any other obituaries for him in Montana when he died.  It's interesting that you also have a connection to Butte.  I remember coming across a story from a Butte newspaper online a few years ago (can't seem to find it now) where it mentioned how Fr Michael Barry had something of a dispute with another priest in Butte who was the parish priest for a different church there.  Apparently there was some rivalry between them regarding the types of parishioners they administered to, one church serving what were referred to as 'lace curtain' Catholics, i.e. the better off, and the other serving the miners of Butte, but I can't remember which priest was in which church.  I also believe one priest punched the other at a gathering due to some perceived insult, so it seems to have been quite an interesting life in Butte. :D

I find it quite strange that this Michael Barry managed to return to Ireland so frequently as most relations who emigrated didn't typically come back.  It suggests to me that he (or his family) was of some means.

I'm attaching the following files that I have;

1. 1875-Birth Register (he appears to have been born in the townland of Cloghast which is adjacent to Glenlara and according to the 1901 census there is also another Barry family living there so they are likely related, possibly a brother of Michael Barry's grandfather Edmond)
2. 1927-Death Certificate (Butte, Montana)
3. US-Canada Migration Records (Vermont) (This is where he appears to have made a trip to Victoria in British Columbia in 1906.  This record gives the 'Servia' as his ship of arrival in 1900 to New York.  It states 'Selvia' on the record itself but I can't find any evidence of a ship named 'Selvia' so I can only assume it was misheard when written.)
4. Morton Allan Directory of Passenger Ships (this is a page from a European passenger ship directory which shows that the 'Servia' was a ship with the Cunard Line.)
5. 1918-Draft Registration (His draft registration for World War I but I cannot find any evidence of him having actually served at any point.)

Patrick,

Butte's Irish neighborhoods would become a hamlet to call home (mtstandard.com)

'Many stories have been passed down through the years, but one shared by the late Father Sarsfield O'Sullivan was particularly interesting.

This story involved two priests, Father Michael O’Dea Barry, pastor of the Immaculate Conception Church and Father Michael Hannan, pastor of St. Mary’s Church. It’s important to note that St. Mary’s had a very telling nickname, the Miners’ Parish. Both natives of County Limerick, Barry was the IC pastor for more than 20 years; Hannan led his parishioners for 16 years.

As O'Sullivan explained, sometime around 1920, the two men were at the same Catholic function when they got into a heated argument. Barry apparently had told Hannan that the IC priest was lucky to have the “lace curtain Irish” in his parish, while Hannan was not as blessed as he had the “shanty Irish” attending Mass at his church. Basically, Barry informed the St. Mary’s priest that his Irish parishioners were well off and much more refined, while those “shanty Irish” of St. Mary’s were poor and uneducated.

That insult didn’t sit well with the St. Mary’s priest and the argument ended with Hannan punching Barry in the face.

In the ensuing years, the two priests must have mended fences because when Barry died in 1927, Hannan served as one of his pallbearers.'

All of my grandparents came from Ireland. My Raleigh/ Fogarty family was from Emly, Martinstown, Darranstown, Bulgaden, and Glenbrohane (several townlands there). They probably were acquainted with your family at some point. My Grandfather worked in the Speculator Anaconda mine,Butte, Montana and was one of the last people out of the mine before the 1917 explosion. He probably was in St Mary's parish.

Speculator Mine disaster - Wikipedia

I have gone through many records for a Michael Barry on Ancestry coming back and forth from America and Ireland but have not found any more than what I identified. I did not review the Ellis Island records I mentioned above. I think they are free. All you need to give them is your email and create a password.

I will try to create a file for the naturalization record.

Regards- Mary

Patrick,

 Did this png file work?

Patrick

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Regards- Mary

Patrick,

 Obit Mary O'Dea Barry  (1846-1919)

Probably why Michael went to Ireland in 1919.

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Regards- Mary

Hi Mary,

Thanks for the png file.

I know of Fogartys from Emly and I believe my mother has spoken about Raleighs.  There was a Fogarty's shop at the Cross in Emly when I was a child, a cousin of my grandmother, a Thomas O'Dwyer used to run it until the early 60s I believe.  I think it then became Bourke's in the 90s who were also connected to Raleighs in Emly.  My mother's family are from Clashdrumsmith outside Emly, my grandfather, John Leahy, who I mentioned before was from Glenlara but he was married to Margaret Mulcahy from Emly.  The Mulcahys originally came from Caherconlish in Co. Limerick in the early nineteenth century and my grandmother's mother was Ryan (Miller) from Castlegarde in Doon, Co. Limerick.  So none of the family really travelled that far!

Thanks for sending the story about Fr Michael Barry as I believe this is the one that I came across a couple of years ago.  Regarding Mary Barry's (née O'Dea) obituary, I actually only discovered this myself recently, and the fact that Michael Barry officiated at the funeral, so it's clear that he was aware that his mother was dying.  This is what prompted me to search for his return to Ireland as I had assumed that he just stayed in Butte.  I had a look for a record of him arriving in the US through the Ellis Island website but I can't find anything.  I did as loose a search as possible but of the Barrys that arrived between 1900 and 1901 there's none that matches his profile.  It seems that the 'Servia' was probably the ship that he travelled on, and not the 'Selvia' as stated in the Canadian border control record.  Thanks also for the obituary details for Michael Barry.

That's fascinating that you have such a close connection to Butte, I never realised how predominantly Irish the city was until I started reading more about it recently.  Do you still live in that area?  Carolyn also mentioned that her great-grandparents had been in Butte.  I never imagined I would have such a response to a query about an Irish priest in Montana.  The world really is a small place.

Thanks again,

Patrick

Sorry Mary, you also mentioned that you found Michael Barry's return to Ireland in 1910, can I ask where you found this record as I haven't come across it?

Thanks,

Patrick

Patrick,

I don't think I am connected closely to the Fogartys of Ballinvreena, Emly, Tipperary. Mine were from Ballinvreena, Glenbrohane, Limerick. I think my 4th grandmother was Briget Bourke married to Patrick Raleigh in Emly, perhaps in Ballyholohan, Emly, Tipperary, Ireland 

The original manifest was poorly written, but I think this was Michael. I found on Ancestry. My grandfather was only in Butte a short time. When the mine exploded, he picked up his paycheck and did some logging in Washington. He had previously registered for the WWI draft in Butte and reported in California. He fought in the Army in France, an ugly arena. Eventually, my grandfather of Drumcomogue, Emly (Raleigh) met my grandmother from Ballinveerena, Glenbrohane, Limerick (Fogarty) at a train stop, through a friend, in Chicago when he was shipping out to France. When he returned, they established their family in Chicago.

Have you come across this link before?

Barry (No.3) family genealogy - Irish Pedigrees (libraryireland.com)

My family was from Rawleystown before Cromwell took over.

I am in contact with people from Emly. are you from there?

Do you have an email we can communicate through. On Ancestry, I am MaryTV.

Regards- Mary

Patrick, 

Regarding Butte...as of 2017, it had the largest population of Irish Americans per capita of any U.S. city. Their St. Patrick's day parade begun in 1882 attracts 30.000 spectators annually!

Regards,

@Mary - thanks for the 1910 information.  I had never seen the Barry family pedigree information, and it appears that they really stuck to the same area in East Limerick.  I'm not sure how it connects to my ancestors as there are so many Barrys between that part of Limerick and north Cork in Charleville, Mitchelstown and Mallow.  I'll have to explore it a bit more.  By the way, I found you on Ancestry and I see that there is a common connection between our trees as Bridget Leahy (my great-grandaunt) was married to James Purcell, a brother of your great-grandmother Anna.  Bridget unfortunately died after the birth of her only child and James remarried.  Their daughter Lizzie married into the Cranleys of Tipperary Town, Bohercrowe in fact, which coincidentally is just a few fields over from my home place in Ireland, in Springfield, Tipperary.  We used to live in Emly where my mother comes from.  I noticed you had a comment relating to James Purcell and the name Polly, usually in Ireland Polly was used as a pet name for Mary so it's probably his daughter Mary who is referred to in the census.  Anyway, my email address is ptkcollins@outlook.com if you wish to contact me.

@Carolyn - that's fascinating regarding Butte, I really had no idea.  We're always so aware of the Irish on the east coast in New York and Boston but I had never thought of Butte being a major destination for emigrants.

Thanks again for all the help with the record searches.

All the best,

Patrick

Patrick,

I found this site with ship manifests you might want to check out. Allan was at the top of the list. There are other lines listed.

Allan Line Passenger Lists 1891-1913 | GG Archives

Regards- Mary

Thanks Mary,

For some reason the records for the Servia seem to be missing from the list but I think I might have found his departure from Liverpool in 1900 on Ancestry.  There is a Reverend M. Barry with a number of other priests who left on the Servia on 2nd October 1900.  This would fit with his ordination earlier in the year, which took place in June.  The only other arrivals of the Servia to New York after June were on 16th July and 16th August and there doesn't appear to be anyone who fits his profile on those sailings, and October was the last sailing to New York that year for the Servia.

By the way, I've sent you a message on Ancestry.

All the best,

Patrick