Horan/Scully

Jim,

Ballyroe (in the civil parish of Drumcullen) is in the RC parish of Eglish, not Birr. (Eglish is the next RC parish north from Birr). It was tradition to marry in the bride’s church, so it’s possible she came from Birr and he from Eglish, but they couldn’t both have come from Eglish, as otherwise they’d have married there.  The Daniel in Griffiths Valuation is probably someone else, though that's just a feeling. You could check in the revaluation records, held in the Valuation Office in Dublin, to see if the one in Ballyroe was still the tenant there after 1857. (Those records carry Griffiths primary valuation forward, right up to 1929 and you can see changes of tenant and owner etc). If he’s still there in, say 1865, then you know it’s a different person from the one who left for Australia in 1857.

Griffiths isn’t a census of Ireland. It only lists heads of household and some properties of very low value were excluded. So, for example, people working as servants or sharing accommodation with another family, or with parents weren’t listed. Likewise some properties of very low value eg turf cabins weren’t listed either. A labourer (which you say was Daniel’s occupation) might have a very low value cabin, on a farmer’s land, which the Griffiths clerks might ignore. So there are numerous ways that Daniel might have been living in Birr but not appear in Griffiths.

There looks to be more than one chapel in Birr and you might need to make local enquiries as to which one Daniel was married in:

http://stbrendansbirr.ie/wordpress/

The parish office may be able to help you.

If searching in Griffiths, Birr RC parish is in the civil parishes of Birr and Loughhkeen.

Thanks Elwyn , this is very helpful information, especially about Griffith Valuation.I will follow up.

Thanks Elwyn , this is very helpful information, especially about Griffith Valuation.I will follow up.

Jim, There were Horans loving in Ballinree, just outside Birr. A Thomas and Patrick. There is a Michael at Clonoghill Upper & Clonoghill Lower - both adjacent to Ballinree.

Dennis

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doPlaceSearch&Submit.x=31&Submit.y=10&Submit&freetext=Birr&countyname=King%27s&baronyname=&unionname=&parishname=Birr

Opphs I see a glaring typo. Should be living  in Ballinree.

Another thought is that if you have Daniel’s parents names you might be able to reference back to the 1821 Census to see where they might have been living - possibly with a young Daniel ? 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1821&surname=Horan&exact=&firstname=&county19011911=&county1821=King%27s&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&houseNumber=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&pager.offset=30