Family of Patrick Flynn and Ellen Waldron

Bill:

Hello again.

The townland was Clooninisclin. Patrick and Eleanor (as listed in the civil marriage record) were married January 26, 1886. Patrick's father was Patrick and Ellen's father was Michael. Ellen was from Culkeen townland. Below are the 1901 and 1911 census records for the family. James was not shown in the 1901 census. Also the 1911 census only shows 8 living children in 1911.

Roger McDonnell

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Ballinlough/…

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Ballinlough/…

Hi Roger,

thanks for you replies to this and also to the Flanagans of Kilkeevin posting, most helpful. I have seen the Census records before, but not the marriage records.

Can you tell me where the birth, marriage and death records for Kiltullagh and Kilkeevin parishes can be found? Are they available on line or would I have to consult local copies? I believe that there is a family history centre for Roscommon in Strokestown.

Kind Regards,

Bill

Bill:

There is Family History Center in Strokestown. You may want to consider a one month subscription to Roots Ireland. They have church and civil records up to 1900 or so. Beyond 1900 is more problematic. You would have to go to the local churches for their records and civil index records would be available at www.irishgenealogy.ie  After you find a civil record, you would have to write to the General Register Office for a copy of the record (costs four euros).

Roger

Dear Roger,

you kindly helped me 3 years ago with your response to questions about my Flynn ancestors from Clooninsla. 

I am now trying to research The Family of Ellen and Michael Waldron, her father. Your previous response - 

The townland was Clooninisclin. Patrick and Eleanor (as listed in the civil marriage record) were married January 26, 1886. Patrick's father was Patrick and Ellen's father was Michael. Ellen was from Culkeen townland. Below are the 1901 and 1911 census records for the family. James was not shown in the 1901 census. Also the 1911 census only shows 8 living children in 1911.

I believe that Ellen was born in 1859, and there is a story within the family that she had a sister who married a man named GREALY in YURE/Cloonalough and their son became a priest. 

The townland of Cloonalough is not a problem, but I have been unable to find  the village of YURE (possibly misspelt), although my mother, who was born and grew up in Ballinlough, knew the name. What advice do you have on finding Yure / Ellens sister and hopefully the rest of the family?

Kind Regards,

Bill

Hi Bill!

I have struck out so far with Yure and the Greallys. I belive Yure or Ure is a local place name which is likely part of Cloonalough townland.

I e-mailed an associate in Dublin who is very familiar with the Kiltullagh parish area. Hopefully, he will be able to assist.

By the way, in case you were not aware, the Irish government at www.irishgenealogy.ie   has provided images of births, marriages and deaths for certain years e.g. 1864-1916 for births. Very helpful for researching family members.

Roger

Roger, 

thanks for the rapid response, I think you are probably right with the spelling of URE, although your associate may be able to come up with something more definitive. There are references to URE, Ballinlough on Google.

I have tried Irish Genealogy. Unfortunately, in this case, I do not have the Christian names for either of the parents or the son! Their search engine won't accept a search without full names! 

On a separate note, are you the same Roger Patrick McDonnell, to whom I have been matched as a 3-5 cousin on FTDNA? 

Regards,

Bill

You could try writing to the parish priest in Ballinlough to see if he knows of this family.

Ballinlough Cemetery:

Section 1

Row        Plot        Left to Right

16           9              In Loving Memory of

                                Elizabeth Knight Cloonlee

                                Died Jan 1 1976 Aged 76 Yrs

                                Her Husband Martin

                                Died Nov 1 1980 Aged 86 Yrs

                                And their Son Patrick

                               Died Dec 29 1993

                               Aged 61 Yrs   

11           8              In Loving Memory

Of

                                Patrick Flanagan

                                Clooninsla

                                Died Jan 9 1970

                                And his Wife Bridget

                                Died May 28 1938

                                Also their Son Terence

                               Died Jan 26 1974

                               RIP                        

                                FLANAGAN

Also Ballinlough Cemetery

Bill:

Martin tells me that Ure is the correct spelling and it would be a place name in the parish.

I found this listing on the web site for the Archdiocese of Tuam. Also found this website which has parish newsletters which may be helpful  http://kiltullagh.com/church.htm

Parish Personnel

Priest

Joseph Feeney PP

Address: Co. Roscommon, Ballinlough

Phone: 094 9640155

Email: frjoefeeneyia@eircom.net

Roger

Bill:

I thought I would respond to your DNA question separately. Yes, I'm the Roger Patrick McDonnell on Family Tree DNA.

Looking at your surnames, the likely match is on the Duffy line. My Duffys come from Kilmovee parish in East Mayo about 22 kilometers northwest of Ballinlough. I also have Brennans but from Donegal.

My great-great grandfather was James Duffy (1816-1898)  from Magheraboy townland in Kilmovee.

He married a Rush from the parish (another very common surname in Kilmovee). My great-grandmother was Mary Duffy (1858-1939) who married a Roddy from near Ballaghaderreen. Most of her children including my grandmother emigrated to Philadelphia.

Roger

Dear Martin and Roger,

Once again thank-you for your help.

Martin,

I surely do know these families.

Firstly, Patrick and Delia Flanagan were my maternal grandparents and Terence (my mother’s brother) was my uncle. Terence had a twin brother Patrick who died in infancy c.1927, but I don’t know where he is buried. Two more brothers, John (d.2012) and Fr. Bill (d.2013) are also buried in the family plot. The last time I was in Ballinlough was to take my mother to see the grave in 2015. We also visited the family farm in Clooninsla, now owned by Maureen McDermott. Most of the rest of the Flynns emigrated to the US.

Elizabeth Knight was Delia’s younger sister, so my great aunt. The rest of the family are living near Crawley in Sussex. Thank you for sending this through, these dates are new to me.

Roger,

Having spent many years researching my Flanagans and Flynns, I am now looking at my mother’s other grandparents – the Duffys and the Waldrons, who were less well known to us.

Most of my Flanagan / Flynn research was based on notes taken by my uncles (John and Fr. Bill, who was a priest in the US for 40 years) of conversations with my grandfather and great aunt in the US. Earlier this lyear, I commissioned some research on the Flanagans from the Heritage centre in Strokestown – and it turned out that the notes were completely accurate, including details of townlands where everyone was born back 2-3 generations. What they couldn’t remember, of course were dates. These were provided by Strokestown.

In what follows, I am hoping that I may be able to return some of the favours you have done me in the past!

On Ancestry, I was matched with Peggy Cesark a cousin in the US, through my Duffy line and we managed to find the connection. Her Ancestry account name is megin4u.

She has a public tree on Ancestry at - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/50517128/family

Which you should be able to view.

On Family Tree DNA , I have also been matched with Patricia Meehan-Smyth as a 2-4th Cousin. She is researching Duffys and wrote back to me –

…..I have Duffys and Costellos from Derrylahan, but it is Derrylahan in Urlaur (Parish of Kilmovee) in Co Mayo. Do you know of any ancestors from Kilmovee? Most of mine came from there and a few from Lisacul just over the border in Roscommon.

She might be a little hard to find on FTDNA, as she uses initials to identify herself (see attached file).

My link to the Duffys is via Mary-Ann Duffy, my g-g-grandmother born in Derrylahan in 1872. However, I got a surprise when Patricia mentioned a second Derrylahan in Mayo, albeit closeby. My knowledge of local geography is not that great!

I hope that some of this may be of use to you.

Warmest Regards to both,

Bill