Quigley family

Linda:

I looked at the Roots Ireland records and I believe I located your family. The mother was Mary Dempsy or Dempsey. They initially were living in Carrownturnane townland but by 1884 they were in the Roscommon workhouse. I will give you more details when I return home later today.

Roger McDonnell

Linda:

I spent some time looking at records available on Roots Ireland and it gets somewhat complicated.

The first record I found was a civil marriage record on February 9th 1874 for an Owen Quigly and a Mary Dempsey. Owen was a herdsman and his father was Thomas. Mary's father was John. They both lived in Highlake townland which is in Clonnygormican civil parish. The marriage took place in the Ballynahaglish RC church.

The next record is a Novermber 28th, 1874 ( born November 19th) baptism for a Mary Quigley with parents Owen and Catherine who lived in Highlake. The baptism was in the Cloverhill RC church. Then I find a civil birth record for a Mary Dempsey born December 30th 1874. The birth was registered January 18th, 1875.

Are these two different children? The mother's name is different and the date of birth is different.

The next record I found was a civil birth record for Catherine Quigley born August 28th 1876, parents Owen and Mary living in Highlake.

There is a church baptismal record for a John Quigley born October 3rd and baptized October 15th in the Cloverhill RC church. Parents were Owen and Mary. They were living in Ballyglass townland. I think this John died young as you will see later.

There is also a civil record for a Jane Quigley born October 3rd 1878 parents Owen and Maria. The birth was registered on November 8th and the location was Carrownturnane which is actually spelled Carrowntornan. Did Owen and Mary move between the October 15th baptism and registering the birth for Jane on November 8th.

Possibly this Jane was your Genevieve or Jennie.

On March 20th, 1880 a Patrick Quigley was born to Owen and Mary in Carrowntornan. Owen was a herd.

On february 13th, 1882 a son John ( #2?) was born to Owen and Mary in Carrowntornan which is in Kilbride civil parish.

Last record was a Sabina Quigley born january 10th 1884, parents Owen and Maria. Either the mother or both parents were living in the Roscommon workhouse.

I'd appreciate your reaction.

Some of the questions:

Were Mary and Catherine the same person?

Are all these children from the same parents?

Are there two different Marys born in late 1874 or did Owen change her date of birth when he did the registration to avoid a fine?

Were Jane and John twins and John died young?

Is your Genevieve and the 1878 Jane the same person?

Roger

Hello Roger..

I am very impressed with the wealth of information you have provided.   I'm wondering if I send a letter to the church would they possibly know Owen and Catherine's full names?    I  meandered thru the 1901 and 1911 census.  I didn't see any other Owen's listed. 

If they got married in the wife's church maybe the Mary Dempsey is Catherine's sister?  Would sister's name their child the same first name, Mary?  If Owen was a sheppherd it could explain why the registration was late.  Maybe they were moving the flock around?

Mary Quigley with parents Owen and Catherine appears to be correct.  I spoke to another relative who remembers that Kathryn and Genevieve (Jennie) had an older sister by the name of Mary. 

Catherine's birth date seems close (3 years and 1 month) and the parents match.

I haven't heard of a brother name Patrick..  We do remember that Katherine and  Genevieve had a brother named John.. I believe I saw him living with Owen on the 1911 census.  Birth year 1882 is pretty close to 1885 that was listed on the census..  I think I see a pattern.  Seems like the birth dates are off by about 3 years for each.  I have not heard of the name Sabina..  Was  Sabina the only one mentioned as living at the workhouse with Owen and Maria?

Not sure about the Jane/John twin information.  I myself have twin boys.  At the time I remember having them I specifically asked if anyone else had twins.  No one on my Dad's (Quigley Grandmother) side recalled anyone having twins.  I'll be sure to ask the relatives again.

Do you recommend that I wait for the diocese to release their records this summer to see if there is more information out there?

I have to admit.  I find it very intriguing to find out that Owen was a shepherd.

I'll do some more digging over here to see if anyone knows more about the family..

Thank you Roger..

Linda

Linda:

I don't think the church can help. I would wait for the registers to go online. Keep in mind that there are a couple different churches involved so you will need to review multiple registers.

Sisters could name their first child Mary after their mother. That was the normal naming pattern.

I did not find a townland in Roscommon called Buckfield. 

I'd like to look at a copy of the letter so I can look at the address.

I will see if I can find other info.

I did find other info while I was writing the note. I went back and searched again in Roots using Eugene instead of Owen. ( The Gaelic for Owen is Eoin which can be Eugene also)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eoin

Using Eugene I found four baptismal records ( I was surprised before that I was only finding civil records and not churhc records). Anyway found the baptismal transcriptions for Catherine, Patrick and John and the workhouse baptsim for Sabina which is spelled Catina on the baptism record.

http://roscommon.rootsireland.ie/view_detail.php?recordid=29203&type=bc…

http://roscommon.rootsireland.ie/view_detail.php?recordid=29356&type=bc…

http://roscommon.rootsireland.ie/view_detail.php?recordid=29359&type=bc…

http://roscommon.rootsireland.ie/view_detail.php?recordid=281041&type=b…

Roger

Linda:

I looked at civil death index records for Owen. He did not seem to be in the 1901 and 1911 censuses which raises the possibility that he may have died before 1901. The only likely record that I found was in 1921. You can get a copy of this record from the GRO for around 4 euros. If you are interested let me know and I can forward instructions.

Roger

First name(s) Owen
Last name Quigley
Birth year 1842
Age at death 79
Registered year 1921
Registered quarter/year Jan - Mar 1921
Registration district Roscommon
Volume 3
Page 198

Hi Roger..

Very interesting about how Owen could be Eugene. I hope to talk to some relatives this weekend to see if they recall any family names like Patrick or Sabina/Catina.. It is so sad to hear that they had to go to the workhouse. I couldn't open the links. Did the baptismal links list both parents as Eugene/Owen and Catherine Quigley?

As soon as I get a copy of the letter I will send you a copy. I hope it is soon..

What kind of information do you think will be on Owen's death registration? Yes please, I would be very interested in applying for a copy.

Here is the link to the 1911 census information .. Let me know if it makes any sense.. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Athleague_We…

I can't wait to see where this adventure leads us. There are only a few of Genevieve's Grandchildren still with us. It would be a blessing to find the family in Ireland.

Thank you for all of the wonderful information...

Linda

Linda:

Just to clarify, the records on Roots are transcriptions from church records and not the actual baptismal register whcih goes online on July 8th. See four records below.

A death record will show the date of death, where the deceased lived, cause of death, informant's name and sometimes the informant's relationship to the deceased. To get a copy of the record go to this link

https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx    fill out the form to the best of your ability, include the data from the index record: quarter/year of death, registration district and volume and page number. Make sure you ask for a copy only. You have to mail the request to GRO in Co. Roscommon (the address is provided when you print out the form). You can ask the GRO to e-mail the copy back to you. I provide my credit card and never have had any issues.

Roger

Linda:

I could not get the fourth record on the prior message.

Roger

Hi Roger..
Sorry for the delay in answering. Thank you for the Roots Ireland records. No one seems to be familiar with the name Eugene or Catina. I'm waiting for a Great Aunt to let me know if she remembers anything about a workhouse. The workhouse does sound right. Genevieve (Jennie) came to the USA and was listed as a servant. I'd be willing to bet someone sponsored her to come over. I will certainly be ordering the death certificate. I'll be sure to give you a copy too.
Stay tuned..
Linda

Hi Roger..

I am not sure if this posted right.. You might see it twice..  They could not find birth information for Jennie Quigley, but they did send Owen Quigley death record..  It says:

1921 Deaths register in the District of Athleague in the Union of Roscommon in the County of Roscommons.

Death and place of death -- 28 Feb. 1921 , Buckfield

Name  -- Owen Quigley

condition -- widowed

age last birthday -- 79

profession -- labourer

cause of death - general debility. no medical attendant

informant - John Quigley, son.  Present at death Buckfield

Hi Roger,

I've been reviewing the NLI records in the Roscommon area.  Am I correct that Cloverhill and Ballynahaglish have not put their Church registers online?  Is this the right Ballynahaglish Church?  http://goldenlangan.com/graves-bh.html   It looks like it was in ruins in the 1840's..  

Thank you for your help ..

Linda

Linda:

Cloverhill is not on the NLI site. Roots Ireland has records starting in 1864 for marriage and 1865 for baptisms.Let me know if you need help.

Not sure about Ballynahaglish. There is no Ballynahaglish parish in Roscommon that I'm aware of. There is a Ballynahaglish in Mayo and the records are on the NLI site.

Roger

Hi Roger..

Way back at the beginning ..  You mentioned that Owen and Mary
 got married in 1874 at Ballynahaglish RC Church.  Is this the one ?http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=2506812&CScntry=35&CSsr=181&  ...  Whats the best way to find out where they were buried?  Interestingly, a friend found a Jane Quigley..  My Jennie (Genevieve) Quigley immigrated to the US in 1897/1898.. I have not found the ship she came in on yet. The Jane Quigley appears to have been in some trouble along with Owen.  That  might explain why the family went to the workhouse?  I'm hoping that if I order it it might list who Janes parents were.  What do you think?https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMQH-CW4   and https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMQH-CWW