LONERGAN, DOHERTY, JONES & CROWLEY

Pat:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

Please look at this August 14th 1864 civil birth record (seventh record down on the page). You will have to sign-in to see the record. The father is William Lonergan and the mother was Johanna Deveraux not Doherty or Dougherty.

Roger McDonnell

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

Roger,

Once again, thank you & Happy New Year!  You helped me find my great grandfather William Carroll's baptism record in Louth not too long ago.

I want so badly for the record you had me look at be my Mary Lonergan, but I really doubt her dad's name being William, unless it was his middle name or James is his middle name & he went by that?  Also, the Devereaux surname for Johanna doesn't sit right with me, and yet, in trying to find one of my Mary Lonergan Jones' children who moved to CA early 1920's, I did see a record that listed her mother as a Devereaux, but I'm just not sure.

I'm making a list of all the records that I have for James & Johanna to see how often he is James and how often she is something other than Doherty or Dougherty.

My thought is until I do that & can intelligently decipher it, is that Mary Ann Loenrgan could have been born in England as it states on a US census and the Lonergan's you found are related, but not my great-greats.  Since William is the name of their first born son, it is very likely William is a brother of James.

Since I am not familiar with the spellings of some of the names of places, would you be able to enlighten me on the correct spellings of 4 places?  It looks like CLOGHEEN is the Registrar's District; ARDFINNAN is the District of the Births Registered; and the Place of birth for Mary and William looks like it could be the same name or maybe not?  BALLINALLAUR OR BALLINARAWN?  It's hard to see.  I appreciate that, it will let me look further into possibly a marriage record or more records for the Lonergan's if they exist.  Could you please tell me how far back the records go for Ballylooby?  I have 1834 and 1843 for the possible birth years for James & Johanna.  I believe they marry around 1862.

Thank you so much Roger and I will be back with what I can figure out from making a chart for each one - Mary, her mom Johanna & her dad James, to make sure James can't be a William and Johanna is a Doherty or Dougherty instead of a Devereaux.  I may be spelling Devereaux wrong, also.  Hard to tell if there is an 'a' near the end? 

I've actually wrote up a list on each of the 3 people above, but it is so poorly organized & scribbled as I did come across some new pieces of evidence that I hadn't seen earlier on and made notes all over them.  I'll gather the argument for each and get back to you as soon as possible. 

Pat Carroll Bennett

Pat:

My mistake on William instead of James.

Here is a link to the Ballylooby parish register and records start in 1828. http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1094

Each civil registration district (or Superintendent Registrar's District) has a number of subordinate registrar districts sometimes shown as dispensary districts.  For your record, Clogheen is the SRD. Clogheen covers a number of civil parishes in southwest Tipperary. Ardfinnan is the Registrar district. The townland name is likely not spelled correctly and I looked at all the townlands in Tubbrid and Tullaghorton civil parishes and did not see a townland name close to what was shown on the record. Sorry!

Roger

Roger,

Thank you so much for your last email.  I will look at the link you gave me.  

I have gathered all the records with the names of the 3 people in question & where each document said they were born.  It is very varied.  I'm going to add up how many times each place or surname is mentioned and see which one wins out, hoping that the majoirty rules here.

I'm not ruling out the William you did find as James & Johanna named one of their sons, William.  He could easily be a brother to James or a cousin or even a nephew?  Time will tell.

I'll be back with my deductions if they seem to give more clues.  I did forget to mention that Lonergan is spelled several different ways over the years:  Londrigahn, Lanuegan, Lonigan, Lanigan & Lonergan.  I think many of the varied spellings are the clerk writing it, hearing i,t but not knowing how to spell it.  Lonergan is used more than the other spellings.

Roger, I have another question, which is embarrsing as I feel as if I am daft, but every time I go onto Irelandxo, I have to log in and then it says I have the wrong password.  I set my computer to remember my password, but it doesn't seem to be saving it.  Since I can't get into the site, I have to reset my password & get a new one.  Is there anyway to go on site without having to do all that each time?  I hope I am making sense.

Thanks, Pat Carroll Bennett

Pat:

I will contact our Administrator in Ireland. She will be back to you on Monday. All the best!

Roger

Hi Pat

I have just sent you an email

All the best

Clare Doyle

Ireland XO

Clare,

Thank you so much!  New password's a gem.  No troubles.  God Bless!  Pat

Great Pat - you can reach me at cdoyle@irelandxo.com if you have any further technical issues

Best wishes

Clare 

Genealogy Support