Eliza GROVE

At RootsIreland, three baptisms were found for children of William and Anne Grove.

--Jonathan Grove
Born 08-Apr-1835
Baptized 26-Apr-1835
Parish St. Patrick's
Co. Waterford
Church Of Ireland
Father: William Grove
Mother: Anne Grove
Register: B/M 1812-1845.

--Elizabeth Grove
was born 17-Jan-1843
Baptized 28-Feb-1843
St.Patrick's
Co. Waterford
Church Of Ireland
Father: William Grove
Mother: Ann Grove
Register: B/M 1812-1845.

--There is also a Wm. Grove born 17 April 1833. Address: Trinity Willows.

Cheryl, I just checked the address for young William, transcribed by RI as "Trinity Willow."  However, I believe it is likely the townland of "Trinity Without."  I hope this is helpful.

 

Dear Patricia, OMGosh, you have no idea how helpful this is.  Thank you sooo much.

 

 

 

William Grove married Anne Purcell on 17 Aug 1929 in Christ Church Cathedral Waterford.

I think he may have been a Glass cutter as he is referred to as William Glass Grove. 

Isaac Veitch and Henry Rainey were the witnesses for the marriage in 1929. I can't find any other details for the Grove family. But Isaac Veitch is living on Yellow road, Waterford, so presume Grove family may have lived near there. There are Purcell families still here,

Thank you for this wonderful information.  I truly appreciate it.

Hi Cheryl,

Glad to know the info was helpful.  Do you need any other lookups?

Hi Patricia,

Thanks for the offer.  I am curious about Jonathan Grove.  He died in San Francisco, April, 1867 of respiratory ailment.  The SF newspaper article requested that Cork copy the news.  Any idea what the connection is to Cork?  More importantly, I have great,great grandparents from Ireland that went to Newfoundland, or perhaps met in Newfoundland and married and had several children there.  Their names are:  Mary LAHERTY and ?KIRBY.  Mary was born in 1820 but I don't have any idea where.  I did a search of LAHERTY/KIRBY to find where they might have met and discovered they intersected in Kilkenny, so possibly they are from there.  Any! information you can find on them would be very appreciated.  Thanks!

 

 

 

HI Cheryl,

One of my great-grandmothers was born in Oldcastle, Co. Meath, and died in New York City.  Two of her children emigrated to Australia. Her  death notice in the NY Herald included "New South Wales papers, please copy."

Newspapers generally included the "please copy" notice when the deceased was a native of a certain place or had  relatives in a certain place.  In your case, Jonathan was from Waterford; is it possible his wife was from Cork?  

I hope this helps.

Hi Cheryl

https://www.irishartsreview.com/annes-grove-from-the-past-to-the-presen…

This Grove family came from Middlesex in England, so may have been a descendant of this branch.
There are very few other Grove families in Waterford and I can't find the deaths of William and Ann anywhere.

Re the Laherty/Kirby I can see some Mary Laherty marriages in Kilkenny but none to Kirby. What years were the children born in Newfoundland? or any other piece of relevant information

Mary

 

Dear Mary,

Thanks for the valuabble information, I'll start chasing the clues.

Regarding Laherty/Kirby, they had five children in Newfoundland from 1840 through 1846.  Mary J ( 1840 my GGG grandmother); William, 1841; Julia, 1842; James, 1843; Richard, 1846.  This is from 1860 US census, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.  There is no mention of Mary's husband.  They emigrated to the US in1851 from Newfoundland  and lived in Chicago from 1870 to about 1910.  I have death information for Mary J and Richard only.  

I hope this answers your questions.  Thanks for all you have done.

Sincverely,

Cheryl

 

Dear Mary,

I just read the article you sent which I find fascinating.  Is there documentation to show any connection to my Grove ancestors.  i would love to see anything available.

Sincerely,

Cheryl

Attached Files

I think this may be your Kirby family in 1850

hackett dot mary at gmail dot com is my email if you want to get in touch direct

Hi Cahrib,

Wow, it's wonderful to see anything with their names on it!  They were in Newfoundland in 1850 so depending on where this document was from, it could be them.  I was thinking about the marriage cert for Wiiiam and Mary Grove of 1929. If William was born in 1833, a marriage in 1929 would make him 96.  It seems likely the groom would be a great-grandson. I look forward to your information.

Sincerely,

Cheryl

Event TypeCensus
NameRichard Kirby
SexMaleAge5
Event Date1850
Event PlaceMilwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
Event Place (Original)Milwaukee, ward 3, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
Birth Year (Estimated)1845BirthplaceNewfoundland

So Cheryl as you can see it was in Milwaukee. I think it is most definitely your family. It would be a big coincidence otherwise.
Did you find out who the Mary Laherty aged 24 born in Ohio was? She is with them in Chicago in 1870. 

How do you know for sure that they were in Newfoundland in 1850 - did you find a record of them there?

Also my 1929 was a transcription error. It was 17 Aug 1829 in Waterford city. They are the parents of Jonathan and Elizabeth - in Church of Ireland records they did not use the mother's maiden name in the baptism of children records. So hence she is listed as Ann Grove in those. 

There are no records of this Grove family in Waterford in 1901 or 1911. 

Hope this is helpful

Mary

Event TypeCensus
NameRichard Kirby
SexMaleAge5
Event Date1850
Event PlaceMilwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
Event Place (Original)Milwaukee, ward 3, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
Birth Year (Estimated)1845BirthplaceNewfoundland

So Cheryl as you can see it was in Milwaukee. I think it is most definitely your family. It would be a big coincidence otherwise.
Did you find out who the Mary Laherty aged 24 born in Ohio was? She is with them in Chicago in 1870. 

How do you know for sure that they were in Newfoundland in 1850 - did you find a record of them there?

Also my 1929 was a transcription error. It was 17 Aug 1829 in Waterford city. They are the parents of Jonathan and Elizabeth - in Church of Ireland records they did not use the mother's maiden name in the baptism of children records. So hence she is listed as Ann Grove in those. 

There are no records of this Grove family in Waterford in 1901 or 1911. 

Hope this is helpful

Mary

Event TypeCensus
NameRichard Kirby
SexMaleAge5
Event Date1850
Event PlaceMilwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
Event Place (Original)Milwaukee, ward 3, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
Birth Year (Estimated)1845BirthplaceNewfoundland

So Cheryl as you can see it was in Milwaukee. I think it is most definitely your family. It would be a big coincidence otherwise.
Did you find out who the Mary Laherty aged 24 born in Ohio was? She is with them in Chicago in 1870. 

How do you know for sure that they were in Newfoundland in 1850 - did you find a record of them there?

Also my 1929 was a transcription error. It was 17 Aug 1829 in Waterford city. They are the parents of Jonathan and Elizabeth - in Church of Ireland records they did not use the mother's maiden name in the baptism of children records. So hence she is listed as Ann Grove in those. 

There are no records of this Grove family in Waterford in 1901 or 1911. 

Hope this is helpful

Mary

Event TypeCensus
NameRichard Kirby
SexMaleAge5
Event Date1850
Event PlaceMilwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
Event Place (Original)Milwaukee, ward 3, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
Birth Year (Estimated)1845BirthplaceNewfoundland

So Cheryl as you can see it was in Milwaukee. I think it is most definitely your family. It would be a big coincidence otherwise.
Did you find out who the Mary Laherty aged 24 born in Ohio was? She is with them in Chicago in 1870. 

How do you know for sure that they were in Newfoundland in 1850 - did you find a record of them there?

Also my 1929 was a transcription error. It was 17 Aug 1829 in Waterford city. They are the parents of Jonathan and Elizabeth - in Church of Ireland records they did not use the mother's maiden name in the baptism of children records. So hence she is listed as Ann Grove in those. 

There are no records of this Grove family in Waterford in 1901 or 1911. 

Hope this is helpful

Mary

 

One thing that is interesting, actually there are several, is that Eliza's family members lived in Wisconsin.  I don't lknow if they are brothers or cousins, but they all had a lot of chldren with similar names.  The census above shows Anastasia & Peter's family with Johanna listed.  i believe the Mary who is a servant on Mary Kirby's 1870 census is a niece from Richard & Ann's family.  Another Laherty family is Edward & Anna with James in 1850 census.  I am not sure right now which census it was, but it lists 1851 as their stated year of emigration.

Cheryl

 

One thing that is interesting, actually there are several, is that Eliza's family members lived in Wisconsin.  I don't lknow if they are brothers or cousins, but they all had a lot of chldren with similar names.  The census above shows Anastasia & Peter's family with Johanna listed.  i believe the Mary who is a servant on Mary Kirby's 1870 census is a niece from Richard & Ann's family.  Another Laherty family is Edward & Anna with James in 1850 census.  I am not sure right now which census it was, but it lists 1851 as their stated year of emigration.

Cheryl

I don't know why I amgetting theses posts, as I have no relatives of this name.

Lyle wakeling

I don't wish to add to the confusion and I KNOW how muddling it can be because of repetitve names but here goes:

I have a William Grove/Groves(b ca 1817) as my g-g-g-grandfather. His ddaughter, Sara Elizabeth Grove/Groves (b 1839) married(1857) Hugh Davis (b-1832) and gave birth to their last child my g- grandmother Annie Davis (b1869) who married John Robey leading to my Grandmother Addie Mary Robey.

William was a seafaring man as was Hugh Davis early on.  (Hugh and Sara later ran a pub near the harbor n Baltimore)   Both Hugh and William are listed in the US Census as Mariners in the earliest records.They lived in Maryland. A  William Grove/Groves is listed again and again in Baltimore, however  All those listings haven't been verified yet.

I would call it a coincidence except our family lore tells us that Annie Davis was orphaned and sent to live with an aunt, Eliza (married surname unknown) in Washington D.C. . Eliza was best friends with Matilda Robey and the two encouraged the joining of the son andneice, John Robey and Annie Davis.

I haven't traced William's background yet so can't offer more at this moment. .  Do you think one of the siblings or offspring of your Eliza Grove may have settled in Maryland instead of the Mid weatern US?   Hugh Davis is listed oon the various Census reports as born in Ireland.  I acknowledge that his name is VERY Welsh and the family lore said we had Welsh roots on that side. Perhaps his family came by way of Ireland first.  TheI Irish-mariner connection makes a link with William Grove very possible. 

 

Dear Jody,

Thanks for your thoughts, this is a very interesting story.  I don't have any evidence that Eliza Grove went to the east coast. I only have evidence that she was in San Francisco (SF) where she married Peter Joice and gave birth to Ann Elizabeth in 1867.  There is also evidence that she owned property in Iowa with her husband, and she lived the rest of her life in Illinois, specifically Chicago and Moultrie County where she died.  However, I don't have proof of how she got to SF other than arriving aboard a mail ship in 1861.  So, I can trace her life from 1861 through 1923 from SF to Illinois, but before that is a mystery.  I have a newspaper article about her arrival to SF, that she was meeting her brother, Jonathan, who had arrived in 1855.  Again, his path to SF is a mystery, but I do know he died in SF in 1867.  So, that is what I know at this time.  Thanks for any help!

Sincerely,

Cheryl

Dear Cheryl,

After reading your original notes I didn't think "my" Eliza was the same as yours but thought maybe, since the names William and Eliza are prominent in your history, there might be an off chance that they were relatives, using the same family names.  It was just a thought.  I have to keep a chart to organize all my paternal Irish family straight because they all used the same family names.  We've all tripped over that phenomenon. From 3 brothers and their father, whose lists of childrn all sound alike, (and the tradition carried right up to today throught 5 generations alone) - we have 7 Josephs and 7 Johns or Seans all with same last name , not to mention the extra Michaels, Williams and Thomases.  So I took a chance on the Grove family, just in case. 

I hope you find the data you are seeking. Good Hunting!

Jody
 

I don't know why I am getting this e-mail as I do not haave any relatives whose surname was Grove.

Perhps you could not forward any more e-mails for any posts looking for the family Grove.

Many thanks 

Lyle Wakeling

I want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread, you cettainly have given me new directions to follow.  It is a complex story that I can develop in many ways.  It's not going to be fast or easy, but it will be fun!  Thanks for all you have done and will look forward to any new thoughts you may have.

message for Lyle:  I believe we receive notise whenever there is activity in one of the counties we have registered in.That way even if its not "your" family, you might be able to pick up clues tt he area or customs or discover neighbors etc.  I receive notices all the time because I have expressedinterest in that county.  Its probably an automated trigger, I am sure no one is being deprived of the message you are seeing.

 

Message for Cheryl- Best of Luck withyour quest.

Cheryl, are you the daughter of Hellen and Richard?

I am following up on clues presented by you. I am seeking information on Ann PURCELL of Waterford and Lismore Diocese. She married William GROVE in 1829 in Waterford. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you.